They Overcame Their JW Upbringing

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    Brilliant ambiguities spring from artist's childhood

    Thursday, December 6, 2001

    By REGINA HACKETT
    SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ART CRITIC

    John Feodorov spent his childhood selling the sacred door to door. Even though he hasn't been a Jehovah's Witness since then, it's a past that comes in handy. At 40, he's still selling the sacred, this time as art.

    He got what should have been a career boost when he became the only artist whose current exhibit in Seattle was previewed on national television.

    Native American artist John Feodorov has been a major exhibitor at the Sacred Circle Gallery of American Indian Art in Discovery Park. PAUL KITAGAKI JR./P-IBut

    "Art: 21," a PBS series subtitled "Art in the 21st Century," featured him in a segment that had the misfortune to run right after Sept. 11, when almost nobody was paying attention. Of the 21 artists profiled, he's the only one who isn't already an art-world name brand. Attention on that scale feels like a breakthrough, until, unpredictably, it happens in a vacuum.

    About this reversal he remains sanguine. "I was lucky to be included in the first place," he says. Being in something that turns out to be nothing is a contradiction he appreciates. He makes art from contradictions.

    From the warring absolutes of his childhood come his brilliant ambiguities, a sample of which is on view at the Sacred Circle Gallery of American Indian Art in Daybreak Star Arts Center in Discovery Park through Dec. 24.
    Raised in a suburb of Los Angeles,

    Feodorov remembers going with his mother to the Navajo Club to soak up some Indian camaraderie before she converted to the Jehovah's Witnesses and lost touch.

    Summers he spent with his Navajo grandparents on the reservation in New Mexico. His grandfather was a yeibichai (healing ceremony dancer) and his grandmother a hand trembler (oracle). At home, his mother worked two jobs, leaving his older sister to look after him. His father, a Russian, wasn't around.

    Feodorov has a half-brother who grew up on the reservation and is active in tribal politics. Another was put up for adoption and returned as an adult, having been raised as a Jew. A third is what Feodorov calls "a man of constant sorrow," in and out of trouble, while the sister who helped raise him is a staunch Jehovah's Witness.

    At school, surrounded by whites and convinced it was "somehow shameful to be an Indian," he scored low on intelligence tests but high on playground savvy. "My friends were usually the kids in the gifted programs, and I could tell on some level I belonged there." In second grade he started playing the violin. He drew constantly, studied the Bible and bided his time.

    A friend, Paul Stewart, was also a musician and had a father who was a minister in the Disciples of Christ. "Compared to J.W., Disciples of Christ were laid-back," Feodorov said.

    In college at the University of California at Long Beach, Feodorov and Stewart studied medieval music and listened to rock 'n' roll. Feodorov found his way to the art department, where artist and teacher Beverly Naidus had a big influence on his thinking.

    "She said, 'John, you're a good painter. So what?' I realized that painting is a tool, and that I can use others, including music, to be an artist."

    Influences from that time include German poet and playwright Bertolt Brecht, because in his "operas he could say the most pointed things in sensuous and beautiful language," and German Expressionist painter Max Beckmann, because of what "he could do on the formal level, the scale shifts and condensed experiences." [Note: Brecht's name was incorrect in the original version of this article.]

    Eventually, life in Whittier became too restrictive. "The people I knew were so intellectual they looked down on anyone who actually tried to do something."

    He and Stewart moved to Santa Fe, where Feodorov studied Navajo music at the Wheelwright Museum. He had his first great sculpture idea in Santa Fe, where he developed his long-running series of "Totem Teddies," designed to meet the spiritual needs of consumers of all ages.
    Sitting or squatting on a wall shelf with heads covered in hooded masks made of animal skins embossed with woodblock-print faces, the teddies each come with a pamphlet, advising consumers on the necessity of keeping their Totem Teddy happy. Is there a better satire on the New Age predilection for picking up poorly grasped bits of wisdom from indigenous cultures and revamping them into sappy self-help?

    After returning to Cal State to get his degree in art, he married Nicole Schildknegt, with whom he has a child, Hannah Sophia, age 4.

    In 1992, they were both tired of Los Angeles. "Nicole wanted to live around water and I wanted mountains. Seattle was the logical choice."

    In 1995, his breakthrough installation, "Forest at Night," debuted at the Sacred Circle Gallery. The trees were made of plastic sewer pipe covered in contact paper with a simulated wood-grain. Instead of branches, there are long doll arms, painted red. In their tiny, outstretched hands are a variety of plastic objects: toy owls, snakes, deer, squirrels and pine needles.

    At the base of each tree is a photo of a clear-cut stump from the Cascades and a dish of sawdust. The bird calls and insect buzzes are electronically simulated, and each tree is wire with fluorescent blue tubes for moonlight.
    Using kitsch materials, he achieved a heartbreaking profundity wrapped in demented humor, which isn't his idea of stretch. In his work, opposites attract. "People like me are said to live between two worlds, which isn't true. We live in a third world, a blend of both. As an artist, I'm trying to express that blend."

    To make ends meet, Feodorov has for years worked in an office doing data processing and answering phones. Understanding corporate culture from the ground up inspired his latest installation, now on view at Sacred Circle, titled "The Office Shaman."

    "Sales lagging?" asks Feodorov's pitch man on a CD-ROM, running at the gallery and online through
    [email protected]. "Then you need an office shaman!"

    The exhibit features a cubicle with a creaky old typing chair resting on dirt and surrounded by plastic spirit circles. Another has a plush, high-backed chair painted to dominate the cityscape behind it. Facing it are a dozen teddy bears kneeling on Astroturf, nature submitting to the breakthrough dominant animal. Masks and small figures are fetishistic keepsakes festooned with key elements of Native American stereotyped spirituality -- feathers, animal hides, bead and bells -- to remind participants of their shaman retreat.

    Feodorov is also a musician. From 1993 to 1997, he was songwriter and guitarist for the now defunct band, Skinwalkers, and has recently released a CD with Stewart titled "Fish Magic" on his own label, Ambiguous Music. In their spare time, he and Stewart are working on an opera to be titled, "Three Heroic Acts."

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    Patti Smith was the lead singer/poet for the Patti Smith Group, which has since come to be regarded as a major influence on 1970's punk. Patti herself has become known as one of the greatest rock poet-artists of a generation.

    Patti herself was brought up in suburban New Jersey by a Jehovah's Witness mother and an atheist father. In the early 1970's, Patti and her good friend guitarist Lenny Kaye (who was also a local rock journalist) began a musical partership which evolved out of their mutual affinity for 60's garage rock and 50's beat poetry. Their first concert/poetry-reading took place on February 10, 1971.

    Drawn to New York and CBGB's several years later, where her friends Richard Hell and Tom Verlaine were performing as Television, Smith was recruited Ivan Kraal (bass) and Jay Daugherty (drums) to her crew and thus, finding herself in possession of a real band -- the Patti Smith Group. The Group signed to Arista and commenced work with producer John Cale on their first album Horses (1975).

    Throughout much of the 1980's and early 1990's Patti lived in relative obscurity in Detroit as a mother and housewife, until the untimely death in 1994 of husband Fred 'Sonic' Smith (MC5's guitarist) from heart failure. Her only release during this time was the album Dream of Life, which was recorded with her husband and which appeared and disappeared with virtually no fanfare nor recognition in 1988.

    It was an old rocker -- Bob Dylan -- who brought Patti Smith back to the spotlight by inviting her to do a support slot on his winter East Coast dates. Reuniting Lenny Kaye and Jay Dee Daugherty, with Tom Verlaine on lead guitar, Smith tore through both old and new material to rapturous applause. The album Gone Again (1996) was released shortly thereafter to critial acclaim; Peace and Noise followed in 1997.

    Smith continues to write poetry and is currently recording new material.

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    Patti Smith grew up mostly in Pitman, N.J. -- in a part of the state filled with "factories, pig farms and swamps." Early on, she developed a passion for rock music and religion. She dates her musical awakening from the time that she first heard Little Richard -- "I felt I'd been shocked by lightning" -- and until the age of 12 she was a member of the Jehovah's witnesses. In high school, she hung out with black students who danced to the music of James Brown and the Marvelettes and listened to John Coltrane and Nina Simone. "We were really into jazz and poetry and developing our cool and our walk. It was the best education I ever had."

    Self-Image: She wanted to be an artist. "I quit the Jehovah's witnesses," she says, "because they said the Museum of Modern Art wasn't going to be around after Armageddon." So, after dropping out of teachers' college and doing factory work, she headed for New York in 1967. There she met art students, began writing poetry and devised a self-image made up of an odd assortment of her favorite personalities: the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Jeanne Moreau, Jean Genet, the Marvelettes and Oscar Brown Jr. She linked up with Sam Shepard -- "I used to yell poetry at him and he'd bang his drums" -- and began appearing in little clubs, reciting her impassioned verse to artists, poets and musicians. In 1974, she formed a band and began writing songs that took up where her recitations left off. Then this year she signed with Arista Records. Horses and a four-and-a-half-month national tour were the result.

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    Jill Scott Interview

    Comparisons with Erykah Badu, Lauryn Hill, Angie Stone... Jill Scott's had them all, for the simple reason that she's an indivdual soul singer with one hell of a voice and something to say with it. Which is why this Philadelphia native has been getting such critical acclaim for her debut album 'Who Is Jill Scott?'. We met up with Jill in London recently to find out more about her...

    You're signed to independent label in the States, right?

    It's called Hidden Beach records. I don't care about business, and of course I want to make money, every artist does, you don't want to be poor, but I don't really like to focus so much on business. I'm an artist, this is what I do. I wanna sing, I wanna write, I wanna perform, that's more than anything what I want to do.

    Of course I want to get the fruits of my own labour, but at the same time I felt that a record label would be good for me, and I found one which was independent, and they've a passion for music, and their first question wasn't, "What does she look like?" It was, "We love this, we have to come to Philadelphia to meet her", and I could really, really, really appreciate that. The title, 'Who is Jill Scott?', I created that. The album, what it looks like, my fiancé designed that. All the songs, I wrote; the music, I put my little dibs and dabs in, and next time I'll co-produce.

    The album seems very autobiographical, lyrically. Do you feel moved to write about your own experiences rather than making up little fictional stories?

    I feel moved to write, you know? This album was about me in so many different ways. The title itself is, 'Who is Jill Scott?', so I felt it important to let people see just some of who I am. I figured I would create this album without really focussing on making this an autobiographical album. I just wrote songs, and they happened to me about me!

    There are many love songs on there. Are they about your fiancé?

    Of course. 'Lyzell in E flat' is about him, and 'A Long Walk' is about our first date. There are some other personal things going on in there too.

    How does he feel about having songs written about him?

    He's flattered. It's deeper than flattery. He's such a good man. He gets it, he understands.

    Do you feel comfortable talking about your private life to the media?

    Well, I sing about my private life, so I'm not really hiding anything, but sometimes, yeah. I don't tell everything, I tell just a little bit. I tell you what I want you to know.

    Your album's been picked up by a number of influential tastemakers over here, people like Gilles Peterson and Trevor Nelson on Radio 1, but if this translated into massive commercial success, how do you think you'd cope with the attention?

    I don't know. I'm hoping that folks will respect the work that I've done here, and how much I enjoy music and enjoy performing, that they will give me space and freedom. You need freedom to create. If everybody's watching and everybody's under you, it makes it a whole lot more difficult to write and to watch. I catch the bus in Philadelphia, just because I enjoy people-watching so much. It's really important to do that, I think, as an artist.

    When you're working on such a tight promotional schedule like this, would you worry that it might start taking over your life?

    Right now, I definitely want people to know about this album, so I'll do some. In a minute I'm going to stop though, because I have a life other than this. This is what I do because I love to do it, but there's also some things that I love to do, like walking my dog, and I miss him, and I miss my fiancé. And I'm sure my carpet could do with some vacuuming, so I have to live. If there ever comes a time where it's difficult for me to live, I'd hate to give it up, but I would. Hell, yeah.

    When new artists come out, there are obvious comparisions made between them and other artists working in a similar area. Who do you think are your peers right now, or who would you like to have your name alongside?

    I'd like to have my name alongside Ntozake Shange, she's an incredible poet out of Philadelphia. I'd like to have my name next to The Artist. I would like to have my name next to Stevie Wonder and Donny Hathaway...Chaka Khan... I would like to have my name... hmm... I'm trying to think of the artists that I'm floored by and respect and their work has involved my life all in it... I'd like to be next to Langston Hughes, you know, writers, people who have something to say and can say it... Sonia Sanchez, Nicki Giovanni...

    What kind of music and literature did you grow up listening to and reading that made you want to do the same thing?

    It wasn't really anybody who made me want to do it. It was a matter of time for me. I just took my time and it grew into what it is now, and I don't know what it'll be next year. I'm just going with this flow. Life has been really good to me, even through the hard times, so I'm just going with it and enjoying the ride.

    Have you been holding on to these songs for a few years, or did you consciously sit down and write the whole album?

    When I got into the studio, which was I guess the summer of '98, I started writing right then the songs for this album. 'Exclusively' and 'Love Rain' I wrote a couple of years ago, that's about it.

    Everything else was written in that moment.

    How did you get into professionally singing and writing? When did performing translate into a career?
    Let's see. I guess when I did 'Rent' [the musical, in which Jill performed in Canada], no that's not true, it must have been when I started the album...no, it can't be then... I don't know!

    Have you always written things, even as a child?

    I wrote my first poem in Eighth Grade, and then I didn't write any more until I was around 21, 22, and then I started writing again, but I just kept it to myself. It was when I shared that friends said, "Oh we love it, you've gotta go to poetry readings, you've gotta let other people hear it", and that initial response got me hooked on doing something other than a nine-to-five.

    How did you feel about sharing your writing with other people initially?

    The writing I thought was definitely worth listening to, as well as the singing. I just kept it to myself. I figured, "This is mine, I'm going to enjoy it, and when I'm ready to share it, I will". I guess it's like your virginity, you own it, until you decide to offer it. I think that's fair.

    So how do you feel about the album? Are you pleased with it?

    I'm very pleased. I'm very, very,
    very pleased. There's so many hands touching it, and it's people that I love that touched this album. The musicians that I worked with are my friends. The things that I wrote about are so much my history and my past, and my future, and my now and my then. The person who did the artwork for this album is the man I'm marrying, you know. The person who put out this album on his label is Steve McKeever - such a good friend to me. And of course Jazzy Jeff is a friend to me...

    Was he a friend before you worked together?

    No, no. When we started working together, we clicked.

    How did that come about?

    I met him on the street in Philly. He knew about me because I had called him for six months, calling, calling, calling... "Hi, I'm Jill Scott." "Who?" "I'm Jill Scott, and I'm a songwriter and I'd like to meet with you and get with your production company." "Hi, I'm Jill Scott. I'm singing at this club. If you can make it, I just want you to hear what I sound like." "Hi, I'm in this play, if you can come..." "Hi, I'm reading poetry at this bar..." I just invited him to everything I was doing and he never showed up, and then I saw him on the street, and he said, "Oh, this is Jill Scott!"

    So the persistence paid off?

    Yeah, definitely. It took a while.

    Was it easy for you to get him to listen to you?

    Well, we had a mutual friend. I didn't sing until later, I wanted to write, and I got some music from the producers. I took it home and found one song that moved me to write. I wrote the song, 'A Long Walk' and I got in the car with Jeff and I played the music and sang it to him, and he was like, "Oh my God, I think we've got something!"

    How did you feel when he said that?
    I feel like, because I held on so long, and took my time in sharing, that it's right and it's my own and it belongs to me, and I feel very, very confident in that. Because I took my time, nobody forced me, nobody made me - I came to this because I wanted to do this. I could do other things, I could do lots of other things, but this is what I want to do.

    Did you grow up in a musical family?

    Not, not at all. Except for my grandmother, she's a singer, so I guess I get my way from her. She would sing in the tub, at five o'clock in the morning, really early. The only reason I got to hear it was because my mother woke me up and would say, "Come, you have to hear this," and her and my aunt Shirley got me to the door, and my grandmother was in there singing this beautiful sound, and she was singing about her feet, y'know? The magnificence of her feet, and her hands! "Thank you Jehovah for my feet and my hands."
    She was in there singing and washing, and I thought, "Wow, she owns this, that belongs to her". We snuck back, and went back to bed.
    Did you have a religious or spiritual upbringing?

    For the early part of my life, I was Jehovah's Witness. I was never actually baptised as a Jehovah's Witness, but that's where my knowledge of God, the Creator came from, and as I grew older, I discovered other things. Jehovah's Witnesses are Christian, so then I went and found out about being Muslim, what was going on in Islam the faith, what was going on in Buddhism.

    I just bounced around checking out Baptists, Protestants, you know, what is everybody talking about, and I came to the conclusion that we're all talking about the same thing, we're just saying it in different ways and God has many names. As long as you recognise that God is making your pathway for you, that everything stems from this great, magnificent, wonderful creator, and as big and bad as we are, we could never create a single solitary stone, or a fly. All we can make is do-do!

    What kind of circumstances did you grow up in?

    I grew up in North Philadelphia, in very much a ghetto, but when we say ghetto, automatically there's a negative connotation, such poverty, but we weren't poor. We weren't rich either, but we weren't poor. But we were rich in the sense that there were people who looked out for kids. If I went across the street when I wasn't supposed to, you better believe that Miss Smith next door was going to call me up, "Hey, get back over here!"

    I could get a spanking from anybody on the block and then get sent back home. There were people who worked really hard. You would see people who would wake up and be out at the bus stop at 6 o'clock in the morning and not get home until 8 o'clock at night. That is very much a part of the ghetto. These are people that are struggling to maintain what they have and do better than what they are. It's not always drugs and killing and filth. I've experienced that also, but there's more to ghetto life than negatives.

    Do you live in the same area now?
    I live about five minutes away from there.

    Do you think you'll stay there?
    I don't know, it depends. Times are changing. It really depends on what will be better for my future, my child. I don't have any children now, but it really depends on that, and I'll make a decision then, but right now I'm very happily living in a loud ghetto neighbourhood, where Spanish music starts to play at 7 o'clock in the morning, but it's rich with culture, it's rich with personality and smells. And there's corner stores, which I love, and flavour. The one thing the ghetto has is flavour, and a lot of love. There's a lot of love there.

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    Excerpt:

    Stephen Davis: There's a lot of the gospel sound in your music. Is it true your family were Jehovah's Witnesses?

    Van Morrison: No no no no, not really. My mother was in it for a while, a brief encounter, that was all.

    Stephen Davis: Were you taken door-to-door as a child with the Witnesses?

    Van Morrison: No, but I was taken to a couple of meetings. I found them quite pleasant, but that was all.

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    Well it sure is amazing what you can learn about people.

    Is this a light saber in my pocket or am I just happy to see you?

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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    Very interesting articles. Thanks for posting them, MA.

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    KINGDOM HALL
    by Van Morrison

    (Lyrics)

    So glad to see you
    So glad you're here
    Come here beside me now
    We can clear inhibition away
    All inhibitions
    Throw them away
    And when we dance like this
    Like we've never been dancin' before

    Chorus:

    Oh, they were swingin'
    Down at Kingdom Hall
    Oh, bells were ringin'
    Down at the Kingdom Hall
    A choir was singin'
    Down at the Kingdom Hall
    Hey, liley, liley, liley
    Hey, liley, liley, low
    Do do do do do do, do
    Do do do do do do
    Do do do do do do, do
    Do do do do do do
    Good body music
    Brings you right here
    Free flowin' motion now
    When we're shakin' it out on the floor
    Good rockin' music
    Down in your shoes
    And when we dance like this
    Like we've never been dancin' before

    Repeat Chorus

    Down at the Kingdom Hall
    They were havin' a party
    They were havin' a ball
    Bells were ringing out
    And the choir was singin'
    Hey, liley, liley, liley
    Hey, liley, liley, low
    Do do, do do, do do, do do
    Sugar was there
    Did you see Sugar
    Down at the Kingdom Hall
    Sugar was tough

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    Ja Rule continues his conquest

    By Steve Jones, USA TODAY

    Hosting a show on MTV recently, Ja Rule looked at the teleprompter and was surprised to see his name was actually spelled right. It was just another sign that after two hit albums, the star of the 23-year-old Queens-born rapper is rising.

    "I'm still kind of shocked when they get it right in articles and like that," says Ja Rule (Jeffrey Atkins). "They used to put an 'h' on the end of Ja because they didn't know me like that. I am a double-platinum artist, and they should get it right, but it still bugs me out."

    Just two years after being introduced to the mainstream via a song-stealing appearance on Jay-Z's smash Can I Get a ..., Ja Rule has lived up to the ambitious title of his 1999 debut album, Venni Vetti Vecci (his version of the Latin "I came, I saw, I conquered"). He has sold millions of records, become a pitchman for such companies as Calvin Klein and Coca-Cola, and is enjoying a budding movie career.
    With his second album, Rule 3:36, he managed to shrug off comparisons to other rappers, banish the one-hit-wonder label and avoid the sophomore jinx that plagues the vast majority of hip-hop artists. And in the process, he has taken a place with longtime friends Jay-Z and DMX at the top of rap's current pantheon of stars. The second album has succeeded largely because raspy-voiced Ja Rule offered more, rather than more of the same.
    After being propelled to stardom by the gritty street anthem Holla Holla, with its ominous "It's murder" chant, expectations were that he'd follow up with other songs in a similar vein. Ja Rule says he was having none of that.

    While Rule 3:36 has its share of hard-core jams, its first single, the lilting Between Me and You (an ode to illicit love), and the sexy follow-up Put It on Me go in a different direction.

    "People were saying I got lucky with Holla Holla, and I just had to prove myself again," says Ja Rule, who spent four months in California working on the album. The change in venue was "a different vibe. It was hot, and there were palm trees. It was a great environment for me to be around and reflect. It made the album brighter."

    He also had tired of critics saying he was trying to sound like DMX or look like the late Tupac Shakur. So he took steps to establish his own identity.

    "I really try to be very different from everybody else," he says. "It's not my fault that X and I have similar voices, and it's not my fault that me and 'pac have similar builds. So to get away from these things, I had to do the opposite. DMX and Tupac never had hair, so I grew my hair and now I have braids. I don't feel that DMX would ever make a record like Between You and Me or Put It on Me, and I wouldn't make his type of record. I never saw the similarities anyway, but since I was hearing that, I had to really go out in left field."

    Ja Rule's seemingly overnight rise is actually the result of seven years of struggle. He says he can laugh now about the popular perception that he's a protégé of Jay-Z or DMX. Back in 1994, when none of them had yet made a dent in the public consciousness, Ja was part of the New York collective Cash Money Click (no relation to New Orleans' Cash Money Records), which also included DJ Irv Gotti. The unknown Jay-Z and DMX made guest appearances on a Click album that was never released.

    But what did come out was a black-and-white video, which caught the eye of Def Jam president Lyor Cohen, who eventually hired the energetic Gotti as a Def Jam executive (he now heads the label's Murder Inc. Records, Ja's recording home). It took some time for Gotti to get Ja Rule signed, because he was still under contract with the Click's label, Blunt Records. In the meantime, Gotti brought DMX and his Ruff Ryders management team to Def Jam and helped smooth the way for Jay-Z and Roc-a-fella Records to join the company.

    "It's a funny story," says Ja Rule, "and Lyor likes to say that if he hadn't discovered me, he may not have (had) some of these other beautiful things that he has got going on here."

    Ja Rule's music is rife with religious imagery and symbolism. On the cover on his first album, he takes a prayerful stance, while the title of his newest album is the first of 13 rules ("He who believes in Ja shall have everlasting love/He who does not shall not see life but the wrath of my vengeance") that embody his life philosophy. On the song One of Us, he postulates a God who has to face daily struggles (in similar fashion as the unrelated Joan Osborne hit of the same name).

    "I'm real spiritual, but I can't say that I'm religious," says Ja Rule, who was raised a Jehovah's Witness but also worshiped for a time under the banners of Catholicism and later Islam. "I think that people really don't need religion, but should just cut out the middleman and serve God themselves."

    He says he "jacked" Rule 3:36 from the Bible's John 3:16 and made up the rest of his rules. He intended to keep the rules private, but he posted them on his Web site at the suggestion of his record company. The site allows fans to respond to the rules, something that has proved eye-opening to the rapper.
    "That's why the computer is kind of dangerous," says Ja Rule, the married father of two young children. "I was reading some of the messages, and they were like, 'Ja, you're the greatest,' and it's different from being into your music. They are into me.

    "That's the scary thing about the Internet, because you can have somebody so into you that they will follow you, and that can be a problem. That's why I get so much flak about the 'murder' thing, because kids are looking and listening, and you become this role model even if you don't want to be. There's nothing you can do about it; you just have to learn to be more careful with what you say. But I do try to let everybody know that I do make adult music."

    The same can be said for the gritty urban films he has made so far — Turn It Up, with rapper Pras; Crime Partners, which is based on a Donald Goines novel and also stars Snoop Dogg and Ice-T; and The Fast and the Furious, which is due March 28. His next project, the cop drama Training Day, stars Denzel Washington and will come out in the fall.

    By that time, he hopes to release his third album, Pain Is Love, a double CD. He believes his increasing stature will allow him to take even more risks and get even more personal. He says it will be a summary of everything he has gone through, and it will allow him to "pour out my heart and soul, joy and pain. All of me."

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    GUY LeCHARLES GONZALEZ

    Guy LeCharles Gonzalez was born in New York, NY in 1969, the only son of 18-year olds, Frank and Deborah Gonzalez. After his parents separated when Guy was three, he was raised by his mother, spending most of his childhood in the Claremont Park section of the Bronx with later moves to Manhattan, Mt. Vernon and Yorktown Heights, from where he graduated Lakeland High School in 1987.

    It was in 5th grade that Guy wrote his first story, a result of nearly getting caught plagiarizing because he liked the praise he received for a story taken from a kid's book of ghost stories so much, he decided to copy another. Hiding the book in his closet, he sat down and wrote a story that he wishes he remembered what it was about. Unfortunately, he doesn't, which kind of makes this tangent irrelevant... Over the years, he'd write several stories, most often influenced by his current taste in books (Ian Fleming, Stephen King, Sue Grafton and Lawrence Block were early inspirations) and girls (most stories had to do with him getting the girl in question, usually at the expense of a boyfriend cast as the bad guy). He also dabbled in journalism and broadcasting, writing for his high school newspaper and writing/reporting/directing for a local public access show.

    Post-high school, after a year or two as a full-time Jehovah's Witness where he began to develop his speaking and debating skills knocking on doors in Northern Westchester County, he had a crisis of faith - partly inspired by the movie It's A Wonderful Life, which he saw for the first time at eighteen - and moved back to the NYC-area, staying with his estranged father in North Bergen, NJ. A year later, in 1990, he moved to Miami Beach, FL - living four blocks from a beach he somehow only went to four times! - and spent a semester and a half at Miami Dade Community College before blowing his student loan money and hopping a Greyhound back north. Having gotten rid of all his winter clothes the year before, he spent his first week back in NYC sick and ended up signing up for the US Army, leaving three weeks later for Ft. Dix, NJ and Basic Training/AIT where he trained for six months, followed by another three weeks in Ft Benning, GA for Airborne School. He then spent the next two years stationed at Ft. Campbell, KY with the 2/5th Special Forces Group (Airborne) as a Light Wheel Vehicle Mechanic, doing everything he could to avoid Somalia, Saudi Arabia, getting ditry working on HMMWV's and figuring out what was next.
    October 30, 1993: He returned to New York City - after an ill-advised, three week attempt at returning to Miami - with an honorable discharge, an assignment to the NJ National Guard and not much else. Within a month, he'd found temp work at a business directory publisher and began an accidental career in magazine circulation.

    November 25, 1994: The Nuyorican Poets Café. He'd heard of the place and their infamous poetry slams and had been intending to check it out for a while. He finally made it on this night, the day after Thanksgiving, a long weekend on which he was apartment-sitting for his cousin in the Bronx. The specifics of the night are blurry, with a vague memory of Bob Holman and a Rush Limbaugh look-alike that did parody songs and won the slam. It was a watershed moment. He spent the rest of the weekend banging out the proverbial "loosely auto-biographical" screenplay. It was 42 pages long and was amazing. Not! Two years later - after three significant rewrites and dozens of minor ones - he attempted to shoot it himself on video with a cast of friends from his acting class at Jersey City State College (now New Jersey City University). It was an unmitigated disaster with his cameraman backing out over creative differences, him having no clue how to direct for video and his leading lady knowing NONE of her lines or motivation! Another year passed and, at the suggestion of his acting teacher, Annette Cardona (Cha-Cha from the original GREASE!), he reimagined the script as a stage play.

    Re-enter the Nuyorican Poets Café, summer of 1997. Rewind first, though, to early 1996 and the Flippin' the Script: Rap Meets Poetry showcase at SOB's, curated and hosted by Bob Holman. It was there Guy first saw Willie Perdomo, and a seed was planted. Willie was promoting his debut collection, WHERE A NICKEL COSTS A DIME (Norton, 1996) and for the first time, he heard a poem that hit him in the gut and connected on a visceral level like never before: Nigger-Reecan Blues. It was watershed moment number two.

    Back to the Nuyorican. Between that first visit in late 1994 and the summer of 1997, Guy had become an avid fan of the Friday night poetry slams and often used the venue as a first date. In July of 1997, after taking another acting workshop with Ms. Cardona and living through the worst back-to-back break-ups of his personal life, poetry began to find itself pouring out of his pen.

    Really bad lovelorn stuff and dumb, pseudo-political rants to be sure, but it was a start. In the back of his mind, though, were a couple of other things: 1) his script, for which the Nuyorican was a perfect venue for its production; and 2) his job at Poets & Writers Magazine for which he imagined an article could be written. Armed with three poems - a suicidal one, a f**k America one and a lost-love one - he took a shot at the Wednesday night slam which anyone could sign up for and compete. Outside the venue, he chatted up Keith Roach, then host and curator of the Friday night slam, picking his brain about the scene, the Café and poetry in general. That night, he made the second round, his suicide poem scoring him a solid 27.5, leaving him unsure of how to feel. He ended up in 5th place overall. On his way out, Roach invited him to slam on a Friday. Thrilled, he picked August 8, 1997, which, coincidentally, was right in the middle of that year's National Poetry Slam being held in Middletown, CT.

    He won that first slam handily which put him in a semi-final. Surprisingly, to both him and many of the "veterans" in the audience, he won that one, too, becoming the first person qualified for the following summer's Grand Slam Finale. In the time between, his work continued to develop and his true voice began to emerge, moving away from the simplistic, crowd-pleasing rants that were winning him slams and towards more honest, textured narratives that began to win him respect. A small group of like-minded poets - including Lynne Procope, Roger Bonair-Agard and Stephen Colman - started hanging out together, holding informal workshops and critique sessions in smoky bars like Botanica, where the beginning of the a little bit louder collective began to take shape.

    In December of 1997, Guy took over hosting the Nuyorican's Open Room, the post-midnight open mic that followed the slams on Friday nights. In March of 1998, he took over the Monday night slot at 13 Bar Lounge and founded the a little bit louder reading series.

    Summer, 1998: After losing the Grand Slam Finale, he tied Alix Olson in a slamoff for the third spot on the Nuyorican's National Poetry Slam team and, when the audience turned down a tie-breaker, both of them made the team. They - along with teammates Procope and Colman, with Bonair-Agard as coach - brought home the Nuyorican's first-ever National Championship, winning the trophy in Austin at the 9th Annual National Poetry Slam.

    The event was covered by CNN/Entertainment Weekly, who followed the team throughout the week, taping performances and candid interviews which included an arrogant Guy sitting poolside explaining why New York was better than everyone else, and that there was no reason they couldn't win the whole thing. Good thing they DID win!

    Upon their triumphant return home, Guy started up a slam at his Monday-night series that would create a third team from New York City: NYC-Union Square. Within two months, he was dismissed from hosting the Open Room and another couple of months later, after some virulent email battles and an ill-advised Wednesday night performance of a poem offering his metaphorical take on things, was banned from the Nuyorican.

    For the next three years, he ran the a little bit louder series whose slam team made the National Poetry Slam Finals in its first two years (he was on the team in 1999; slammaster-only in 2000, 2001) losing the competition both years on time penalties while winning national respect for New York City in general and the series in particular with well-written, well-performed poetry.

    Spring of 2000 saw the publication of the well-received BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE by the radical indie publisher, Soft Skull Press (best known for republishing FORTUNATE SON after St. Martin's Press pulled the original edition), which combined selections of his work along with that of his teammates and included an introduction by the founder of the Nuyorican's Friday Night Slam, Bob Holman.

    Summer of 2000 saw the fractured NYC slam community come together when Guy co-produced the recording of the nycSLAMS CD which brought together representatives from all three slam venues, repairing rifts in the scene and partly contributing to NYC dominating that summer's National Poetry Slam Finals as all three teams made it in for the first time ever.

    Spring of 2001 found Guy elected to the Executive Council of the non-profit Poetry Slam, Inc., the organization that governs the National Poetry Slam.

    At the end of 2001, he stepped down from the a little bit louder series to prepare for a move south to Norfolk, VA where, as of sometime in March 2002, he will reside with his beautiful wife of 3 ½ years, Salomé (to whom he proposed from the Nuyorican's stage on March 20, 1998) and their one-year old son, Isaac.

    He continues to write, performs and conducts workshops on occasion and expects to one day revisit that script that started this whole crazy ride.

    Contact: [email protected]

    PUBLICATIONS
    *di-verse-city 2000 (AIPF, 2000)
    *Burning Down the House (Soft Skull Press, 2000)
    *Will Work For Peace (Zeropanik, 1999)

    JOURNALS
    *Drumvoices Revue, Summer/Fall 2000 (SIU, 2000)
    *STOVEPIPE, Fall/Winter 1999 (Sweet Lady Moon Press, 1999)
    *ONE(DOG)PRESS #39, August 1999 (ONE(DOG)PRESS, 1999)

    AUDIO
    *nycSLAMS (re:VERB Recordings, 2000)

    PERFORMANCE
    *Connecticut Poetry Festival - 2001 *Austin International Poetry Festival - 2000, 1999
    *SoUPFest - 1999
    *National Poetry Slam - 1999, 1998

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    Howdy MA,

    Is this the sameMadApostate who was seemingly forever FU'ing people??????? You're confusing me with this positive flow of threads this morning.

    A friend, Paul Stewart, was also a musician and had a father who was a minister in the Disciples of Christ. "Compared to J.W., Disciples of Christ were laid-back," Feodorov said.

    Go figure.......

    Thanks, MA. Very positive reinforcement as what others have accomplished with the same background.

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