How long are you going to keep saying if you knew what I knew and I'll reveal it all soon? Spit it out or...
really, HOW can one show the truth without condemning himself or the one who listens?
by EndofMysteries 15 Replies latest watchtower bible
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EndofMysteries
I'm telling you the only way to find out right now, it's for your benefit. If I or anybody were to say it, then it's either words of man, or you would not know if you could have got it on your own, so it just cost you an opportunity for faith in God. If you get it without being shown it, learning a lot, how much more faith building is that then being shown it all? Infact if you were shown it all, what chance would you have to put faith in God? To build your house on the rock and not the sand (human). You'd constantly question if your understanding or agreement is due to man interpretation or not.
So for now, the most I will do, is encourage and let you all know, there is much to learn and much that is taught in the bible, that is not taught anywhere else, and that you have never even heard of before. You can actually start to see where all religions and sects come from, which scriptures each focus on, and start finding the truth which unifies or explains all.
I'm simply saying, I can confirm, and verify, that it won't be a waste of time, there is a lot more to it then is known.
Only way I'm gonna 'spit it out' is if / when get a clear command to do so. Anything I would spit out, would only be things which could give you faith in God. Still learning, and haven't figured out what exactly I could show, which would motivate and encourage to try to let God teach you vs becoming dependant on someone.
Tell me Myth, is there a question that if I could show the answer.....you'd be inclined to seek God again and try to see if he would instruct you?
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RosePetal
HI EM enjoyed your comments I can see that you like many of us have had a 'crisis of conscience' as you know once we start doing our homework on thing leads to another. What started to trouble you at first? This forum has been an invaluable tool to listen and to hear other peoples comments and experiences in their 'waking up', we all go through the process of getting it out of our system.
There is a great deal of knowledge and experience on this forum and every ones testimony is unique. Some on this forum have lost complete faith in God, many have been determined to seek out the Lord, nevertheless most on this forum are being supportive of one another, Russell and Rutherfords teachings have had a deep impact on us all over the years and so many of us have had to rethink the Bible sometimes painfully crashing through uncomfortable barriers that the Holy Spirit is guiding us to do.
You are correct it is the power of the Holy Spirit that truly guides the Lords people today and not a manmade organistion. The Holy Spirit has been with us since penticost and Jesus promised that it would comfort us and lead us to truth through his word, how on earth did we all manage to miss that. As far as the great crowd is concerned as mentioned in 'Rev 7 v 9' they are before the throne and the lamb. 'Rev 19 v1' they are in heaven not on earth. They come out of a tribulation not through it that seems to harmonise with 'Rev 3 v 10 that you quoted
'Because you kept my command to persevere I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. ' NKJ
Think scripture not Watchtower. RosePetal
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Mythbuster
Tell me Myth, is there a question that if I could show the answer.....you'd be inclined to seek God again and try to see if he would instruct you?
There are too many.
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EndofMysteries
Hey Rosepetal -
For me the overall process was this...........I was raised as one, and 'advanced' quickly. I understood the bible and many things at 6 years old. I did want to serve God and I started giving talks at 7 or 8 years of age, got baptised at 9 years of age. I 'knew' I wanted to serve God, and I did not even think of the possibility I would be mislead or lied to about anything. During school years, I did undergo a lot of persecution for being moral, not cursing, etc.
Then I hit my early teen years, and family problems started and parents had split up. Had moved, and then I started to see a new angle and a side of the org had never seen. Was in some halls where elders were making accusations against us, and because of the rough split of my parents, how elders felt was also trickled or laid on us as well (sibling and I), I also actually 'asked' for help because making meetings and service were hard. Can't tell you how many times "I" initiated and had to ask, and they would make promises too and never did. Just my sibling and mother, and never even any shepherding call or anything. As a teen, even "I" KNEW this was not right. I thought, if I was an elder, I would make specifically sure that single parent family's, and especially the kids were getting all the help and support they would need. But felt no love or nothing. THIS did NOT make me stop though. I thought well always problems, I won't let these goats and imperfect men stumble me. So I endured. Then even endured some of them starting rumors and such, all the while I was still innocent of anything.
In my later teen years, I noticed how almost all of the 'association' didn't seem very christian like. How other then going in service, many of the friends seemed no different if not worse then worldly (minus the smoking).
In my mid teen years, I also got real deep into bible reading and understanding prophecy. At age 15, I was reading Revelation and Jesus prophecies, and for some reason, the "disgusting thing causing desolation (let the reader use discernment)" I could not ignore. I was drawn to it. I researched it and looked up everything in the bound volumes and I KNEW it was wrong! I talked to family, and said there is no way this is correct. I felt like I was getting more understanding and that everything we had was wrong. My family was confused, on how a 15 year old is so deep in the deep things of the bible and understanding them. They said I should be patient and didn't really ask or get into detail about what I was learning. I also, at age 15, started reading the book, "The Two Babylons". I started to trace 'false religion.' I went deeper then anything in the WT articles or any JW's I know went. I traced many modern day things all the way back to Nimrod. I started to see how corruption began in Christianity, the pattern. (The SAME pattern which has happened from the start of WT to today)
VERY shortly after all this started, only few months, I got SUPER sick. I was sleeping 20+ hours a day. ( I guess mono which kids get and usually happens in mid teens. It wasn't from kissing cause never kissed a girl at that point but just sharing a drink you can get it ) So anyway, I was too exhausted to keep studying and to concentrate. By the time it eased up, a watchtower was released, "Let the Reader Use Discernment". My mom came running and said, "you won't believe this, look what this watchtower says!". They acknowledged that that scripture had a future fulfillment, but they gave no details. This accomplished in me trusting well okay they are maybe going to correct stuff and catch up.
I had never fully recooperated, since then always been tired and hard to do much or reading. For years later, I noticed more things in the society. A lot of abuse on others and lack of love. I was puzzled on how so many were leaving, who didn't even have to go through what I did, (lies, judging, etc) yet I was still there. Due to my tiredness and such, always felt the 'judging' because of 'not every meeting'. On lack of love, a sister was moving w/ her young daughter, didn't know them at all, but volunteered to help. For a few years felt bad for many.
Then all association I could have, was either 'very' hypocritical.........most who didn't at all seem to be wanting to serve God, just major double lives, or super self righteous who cannot go out or have any fun, because they need to be well rested for the assembly coming up in 2 months.
So it was either be isolated or try to find something w/ human interaction. I got into some hobbies and recreational things, which my interaction was with 'worldly' people. A good portion of the 'worldly' people at these, happened to be "Christians" of various faiths and such. I started seeing quite a few, who seemed to act like very spiritual/pioneer like sisters and brothers. Some who were actually more reserved and moral I guess you'd say, then pretty much every witness around my age range I knew. In their 'recreation' or 'public' life, they were being true to themselves and what they believe. They had no threats or fear of 'disfellowshipping' to keep them in line, they just WANT to serve God. I started seeing in different faiths more and more like this. I thought to myself, okay........at the end, is God going to destroy these people, JUST because they were unable to find the truth, yet they are living their life and really trying to serve him? in their hearts? but those who are at meetings and service, but no where near as good are gonna be saved? Did not make sense at all.
Also with some studying and such I had, never fully brought one into the truth, I was so through that all my students would learn to really study and research, and 1914/disfellowshipping when those they researched came up, they couldn't find it as truth. I myself couldn't find a way to make it make sense either. I just went on that it shouldn't matter if 1914 was real or not, it doesn't change what we must do, it shouldn't matter if the end was another 1,000 years away. I even ran into 'apostate' stuff, and brushed it all off and looking for excuses. Because Israel was never perfect, they always went bad, but they were still God's people. His chosen.
So.......how did I finally break free? A little over a year ago, (bout 28 by then) after being so tired all the time. Got some treatment which gave me energy again. I then got right back to as I was at 15 years of age, into reading the bible again. I just didn't have the mental energy to do it was too tired or would sleep. So having energy again, right back at it. At 15 I was getting insight, as if trickling on me like water. NOW it was as if that trickle got clogged up and built up all those years, and removing the clog, a FLOOD pouring on me. I first started seeing how in the last days, how the shepherds have lead all his people astray. How they have been abusive and on witchhunts. (Everything I had been seeing, I saw foretold in the bible) THEN I saw what God planned to do about. Since then, I been learning so much. Things not taught anywhere, not understood, I understand what Jesus said where there are things he would like to say, but they wouldn't be able to contain them. Not too much I can say about what I've learned the past year...........having a flood for this long, trying to dump that on someone in one day, nobody can mentally take in the whole truth at once, it would be too overwhelming. (remember when a JW, would you try to teach on day one the 144,000? lol ) same 'concept'
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RosePetal
Hi Em My goodness what a journey thanks for telling your story. I am so sorry you have been so poorly through your young years. But glad that you are so much better. Hubby and I can certainly relate to so much of what you experienced.
We have sent you a PM
RosePetal