Bible says God confused peoples languages at this childish nonsense?

by Witness 007 66 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • agonus

    Not necessarily God... but maybe 'gods'...

    'extremely basic engineering skills"... I dunno, for us in the 21st century, MAYBE... but what about stuff like the Antikythera Device? The Baghdad Batteries? Nebra Sky Disc? Nazca? Crop circles? The list goes on and on...

    My point is, there is, and always has been, some seriously weird shit going on around here... I have a hard time believing that we are, and always have been, totally alone on this rock without someone or something out there having ever dicked with us as a species.

    I know, I know, Agonus the tinfoil-hat wearing lunatic...

  • bohm

    Again, we are in the funny situation where God just happened to confuse the languages in such a way they surely look like they have evolved, and in such a way there is no record of the original, global, language, or any evidence of the tower of babel, or a highly developed nation in the region, and that all evidence point to mans origin being in africa. In fact, all evidence except a book with talking animals contradict the story.

    And when you read that book you realise its so braindead people often recast it because its embarasing. For example, man begin to build a tower to heaven, and God somehow see that as a problem. mmm. how about just letting them build the thing and see for themselves that the best building methods of the time would never, ever, beat a wodden shack on a small (~1 km) mountain in terms of reaching the heaven.

  • EndofMysteries

    Thanks Agon -

    I feel exactly the same way. I thought at first it was impossible to get those answers. I've changed my mind, I'm getting many to my own questions.


    For the sake of anyone reading......I'd like to mention for the first time ever, only during the past 10 years, is it possible on a broad global scale for the 'truth' to be found. Here is why......only for 300-400 years has the bible been 'safe' to get. Only for about 200 years really available to anyone w/ printing press. Only for 10 years, to learn the truth outside of what you may have been 'told' was the truth.

    Prior to internet, computer, if you wanted to look for EVERY instance of a word in the bible, or a book, would have to 'read' the ENTIRE book. And over and over if looking for certain things. IF you wanted to research or compare with other things, you were VERY LIMITED to your library, or bookstore. Also ONLY to what was published. If it was in another language, forget it.

    We know have access to everything and anything WORLDWIDE, instead of thousands of books and information, MILLIONS. To search each publication instantly. So ONE HUMAN MIND can now ITSELF learn more in days then perhaps a lifetime prior. Now the truth, imagine it as an elaborate puzzle, some here or there may have got a few pieces, but never the whole thing. Some parts of the truth may need certain pieces of the puzzle to get the true understanding, so if 'one' person couldn't do it, it remained hidden. Right now we can see what many know, what many have come up with their research, those who don't publish books, and we have many ancient documents, dead sea scrolls, egyptian books, babylonian, available in interlinear. Also have translating software too for certain languages.


    With all that being said, I'll say upfront my conscience prevents me from openly saying much right now, especially since a few things may change before I'm finished, may also never be able to say it all. It was the same in the bible, even Jesus (one must be faithful and 'discreet') Here are some things I've learned, and what you can expect in the very near future.

    1. First, to even begin to get understanding, you must have an open mind. FEAR and denial will prevent you from getting the truth or accepting it. I prayed for wisdom, understanding, and been doing lots of reading, research, etc. I took James 1:5-7 seriously.

    2. Be quick to hear, but SLOW, super SLOW to speak. You may think your seeing some things or more truth in the bible, some which I've had to pray for understanding and no offense to be taken in even entertaining the idea, but at the same time having faith I'm being lead in the right way. You don't want to find out later you may very much regret things you've said and against whom. (Read Jude vs 8-10 and consider who is being used in the example, one day that scripture might make one very cautious)

    3. Thoughts won't just pop in your head, gotta read the bible, read it cover to cover. Use HEBREW old testament interlinear atleast for 1 reading. You will find that something you 'think' might be a hidden truth, is actually more clear in interlinear. That small details can majorly change, because the translator didn't know the truth. Reading non canon, dead sea scrolls (at your own risk, can't say whether true or not, they do give you ideas towards unanswered things in the bible)

    4. Anyone really taking this seriously, will find that it might have been IMPOSSIBLE for a human to fully teach them. If you read the entire bible, the first time you'll notice things, they stand out, and you do learn. At some point, if one detail or understanding changes, THEN many parts of the bible if you reread will have a much clearer picture and perhaps different meaning. I can't imagine everything I know NOW being dumped on at one point. Just a few small details can be so big and overwhelming need a few days to take it in. Some things which could try to teach or show, would seem crazy, insane, absolutely outrageous, UNTIL you have many more details and overall big picture, THEN it makes sense.

    5. The truth is overwhelming, must be taken in doses, can't just take the wholething at once. Which is why you must seek it. Only God knows what you already know, and can guide you on a path of what to learn and at what point.

    A FEW THINGS I'VE LEARNED, if any studying wonder if anyone else sees what they may be seeing, as somewhat a confirmation........

    1. Our understanding of history, of the Israelites, of God is WAY OFF - Jesus said it like it is when he said in Mark 12:24-27 "Is not this why you are mistaken, your not knowing either the scriptures nor the power of God?"..."He is a God not of the dead, but of the living. You are much mistaken" - And down to today, I say to the general public, you are MUCH mistaken.

    2. Idols, even people and true prophets of God can be idolized by people. It is VERY IMPORTANT to figure this out very soon. There may be a message he wants non faithful to see and act on, and a message for his true ones to see.

    3. HIDDEN RULER / Religion - many people may choose not to believe anything going on, no God, no higher power, nothing they can't physically see.........well there is something that CAN be SEEN. Since almost the time of recorded history, onwards, and especially today.....a group or religion, worldwide, who identify themselves and their company/organization/government/rulership as involved by their sharing the same hidden symbols. Things get real interesting when these symbols are all biblical, and especially what they are linked to biblically. This is another point in which most humans will go into denial, mental blocks, etc. Again keep an open mind, dont' dismiss the whole package because a few broken pieces in it. One way in hiding the truth, is having mixed with it, a few things to get you to dismiss everything, to think that even entertaining the idea or looking further is crazy when in truth 1 item out of the 5 was bogus, but that 1 item put there make you turn your eye to the others.

    4. The REASON for the Great Tribulation, is a last chance, a final test. The scriptures show that test may not be neccessary if one passes it prior to it's occurance AND there is possibly a very good reason to pass it earlier, an open door to a certain future.

    5. Many biblical contradictions are intentionally placed there. Don't spend too much time at first, if haven't read the whole bible, but if they will make keep you from reading further, pray and try to find the reason for it.

    6. Those who FIND the truth, may be unable to openly disclose it, until a certain point of time. (possibly due to the test and not ruining someones chance, as well as them not becoming idols in the eyes of others, and getting God's anger at them).

  • EndofMysteries

    notverylikely - "There is nothing scriptural to support that."

    I beg to differ, Genesis 11:14 They now said: “Come on! Let us build ourselves a city and also a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves, for FEAR we may BE SCATTERED OVER ALL the surface of THE EARTH.”

  • EndofMysteries

    Just to show how answers may be in the bible.........................Deut 32:7+ - 7 Remember the days of old,
    CONSIDER the years back from generation to generation;
    Ask your father, and he can tell you;
    Your old men, and they can say it to you.
    8 When the Most High gave the nations an inheritance,
    When he parted the SONS OF ADAM from one another,
    He proceeded to fix the boundary of the peoples
    With regard for the number of the sons of Israel
    9 For Jehovah’s share is his people;
    Jacob is the allotment that he inherits.

  • EndofMysteries

    With that being said, doesn't Revelation's account of equal number of kings/priests out of each tribe of Israel have a reason now?

  • agonus


    I'm glad to hear you're finding answers that make sense to you. Not sure I will anytime soon, but I try to keep an open mind as well. Good luck in your quest.

  • EndofMysteries

    Agonus -

    Here is something to try, if you have a question, pray about it, then read the bible, no set spot, see where it leads you, see if an answer or 'potential' answer pops up. SOME questions, can't be answered right away, you may find the answer lies in having your understanding of MANY things corrected. At the very least, perhaps it will give you hope and some faith the answer is to be found, and God will help you.

    Read James 1:5-7 before doing that though. If someone you really cared about asked you for a favor, you'd want them to know they can count on you. I think that's what God's viewpoint is there, asking him, but then doubting he will even help you.

  • EndofMysteries

    Agonus -

    Btw, if you have any specific questions feel free to ask. I'll answer ones I can.

  • Leolaia
    This is not very scientific......does anyone believe this is how languages got started???

    No one who is scientific about it.

    The story of the confusion of the tongues btw is quite close to the Sumerian Spell of Nudimmud, which was itself recited in later works such as the tale of Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta (written in the twenty-first century BC). This spell states that in days when "the whole compass of heaven and earth could address Enlil, verily, in but a single tongue ... did the sagacious omen-revealed lord of Eridu estrange the tongues in their mouths as many as were put there, the tongues of men which were one". The divine confusing of the tongues however is situated by J in the context of a city-building activity; the latter is a common theme in other primeval myths such as the Eridu Genesis and the Tale of Etana which relates that the Igigi (= the Annuna-gods) "designed a city, they laid its foundation, they designated the city of Kish, they laid its foundation, the Igigi made its brickwork firm". The narrative in J thus combines features found in early Sumerian stories, but nothing about a tower. The material in the story concerning the tower (limited to just v. 3-5, the tower disappears from view after v. 5) draws on later Assyrian and Neo-Babylonian statements concerning the temples of Esagila and Etemenanki, both substantially expanded by Nebuchadnezzar II. Verse 3-4 is very close to the Enuma Elish, practically verbatim in relating an alliteration that works in both Akkadian and Hebrew:

    Enuma Elish: "They said to Marduk their lord: 'Let's make a shrine, whose name will be a byword...' When Marduk heard this, his features flowed brightly like the day, and said, "Then make Babylon the task that you requested. Let its brickwork be made (libittashu iltabnu), build high the shrine.' The Annuna-gods applied the implement; for one whole year they made bricks (ilbinu libittu). When the second year came, they raised up the head of Esagila toward the heavens (lit., to the Apsu)."

    Genesis 11:3-4: "They said to each other, 'Come, let's make bricks (nlbnh lbnym) and bake them thoroughly.' They used brick instead of stone, and bitumen for mortar. Then they said, 'Come, let's build (nbnh) ourselves a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves' ".

    The similarities include (1) the workers saying something concerning (2) building something at Babylon that (3) would make a name for itself or themselves, to which (4) it is uttered "Let's make bricks" // "Let its bricks be made", with the prospect that (5) the building would be raised to the heavens.

    The alliteration in the story is very clever and poetic: nlbnh lbnym "let us make bricks" (v. 3), h-lbnh l-'bn "brick for stone" (v. 3), nbnh l-nw "let us build for us" (v. 4), bnw bny "the sons built" (v. 5), nblh "let us confuse" (v. 7), bbl ky shm bll "Babel where he confused" (v. 9). We here have a quite contrived, but artistic, piece of literature.

    Regarding the real-life tower of Babylon, Etemenanki, it is also noteworthy to cite the dedication inscription of Nabopolassar, the father of Nebuchadnezzar, who related that he was commanded by Marduk to "lay its foundations firm in the breast of the underworld and to make its top equal to heaven".

    It is thus for good reason that many scholars believe that the story of Genesis 11 was written as a satire (or political critique) of Neo-Babylonian propaganda, similar to the attempt in Genesis 19 to insult the nations of Ammon and Moab by making their founders born of incest.

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