Personal Story: Trying to Help the Flock

by OnTheWayOut 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Not very long ago, I had a nice chat with my good friend, another JWN poster (IsaacAustin) and we discussed elders going after people or just leaving them alone and even occasionally giving them a break. I said how I would try to give a break when I was an elder, going so far as to tell a young person "Just don't smoke again" and letting that be the end of it. My friend asked for some background on why I was like that. I thought I would share it if it could help anyone to understand the elders better or even understand me better.

    When I was newly appointed an elder, I was all gung-ho to follow God's direction through the organization. If they said "Jump" I would jump. A judicial matter came before the body right after I and another fellow were appointed. A young lady got herself into some trouble and also the Presiding Overseer's son got into some trouble. Our presiding overseer excused himself from both cases naturally. The young lady case was too much like his son's case and he said he would have "no freeness of speech" or some such excuse. Anyway, his buddy on the body kind of insisted on being on the P.O.'s son's judicial committee and another committee was formed for the lady. They put the two inexperienced elders (me and the other new guy) on a committee with a quiet nerdy elder. He chaired the committee and I spoke with the lady that same day to establish a time for all of us to meet- the very next day seemed most convenient to all involved.

    Our lady was involved in fornication. While it didn't occur with the P.O.'s son, it was clear that the two of them were running in the same circle and knew the details of each other's case. Their WT-defined "sins" both occured at the same time in the same home and we were going to have to talk to the guy as well as the girl. She would also have to speak with us about his case. Don't get me wrong. If these two simply confessed, it could have been two open-and-shut cases. But they clearly overlapped, and if anyone wanted to deny something, we would have to pry using the other as a witness. Our lady confessed and threw herself on our mercy. All well and good. We ended our discussion with the lady saying that as soon as we gathered some more information from others, we should be able to wrap this up in one more session.

    So we phoned the P.O. and told him that we needed to handle both cases. He was kind of confused, but said we would discuss it at the next meeting. Our chairman phoned the other chairman and asked him not to meet with the guy, but to wait for another elders' meeting to sort this out. At the next elders' meeting, the P.O.'s buddy said he didn't see why our committee was trying to force itself onto both cases. We explained how they intertwined and he said "Then form a new committee for both." That was silly, we already met with the girl and we WERE the new committee that should meet with both. The other 2 elders agreed with us. That left only the P.O. and his buddy. The P.O. already said he would not vote on the matter, so it really only left his buddy disagreeing with us.

    The elders could not understand why he wanted to start from scratch with both cases. Finally, he blurted out that he wanted to be on the guy's committee and would just have to be on both to do that. He actually admitted that he wanted to know what happened and needed to be on that committee to know just that. After blurting that out, every elder (even the P.O.) basically said to give it up and let the first committee handle the matter. There was no point in making the girl confess again to a new committee.

    So we did handle both cases- they both turned out to be confessions with no further witnesses called in.

    We also divulged no details to the P.O. nor any elder outside of the committee. Neither person was DF'ed, so it was a pretty easy matter to close the books on these cases. The P.O.'s buddy wanted us to tell him who said what but we knew policy was to say that these folks were found repentant and put on restrictions AND TO SAY NOTHING ELSE. All others involved were not JW's and not our problem. The two teens involved were over 18 and considered adults and that was the end of the matter. But I stopped to wonder why the P.O. and the experienced elders didn't push to make this all get handled by one judicial committee to begin with. It was like they wanted to help the boy out of trouble with his dad's friend on the committee, but wanted the appearance of separation of the two "sinners" by having a separate committee. Us young elders (I know, an oxymoron) would have been none the wiser if one committee were formed with P.O.'s buddy on the case.

    Our experienced chairman basically told us that the girl had no connections in the organization, her parents were not connected and were just regular publishers. He went on to tell us that the body of elders didn't want others to even think her sins reached the knowledge of the P.O.'s son, so they hoped different committees would give the appearance that their "sins" were not connected in anyway. He admitted that gossip would start from both cases (it did) and that was what the P.O. and his buddy were trying to manipulate.

    I learned from that case and from observing the experienced elders afterward that the elders would protect their own families beyond the normal help extended to others. The P.O.'s buddy and the P.O. met with the buddy's daughter when she was involved in something (not sure what) and never formed a judicial committee saying they followed procedure and handled a matter without the need for judicial proceedings. It was only mentioned to us because someone else was involved and we might find out about it anyway (we did not).

    I decided that I would ALWAYS extend the same kindness to anyone in the congregation, connected or not. We were supposed to kindly help people, so I would. If I were ever put on an "investigative committee" (two elders who gather information to see if a matter needed to become judicial) I would almost always squash the matter. I would tell the other elder that the person realized their wrong and we could inform the P.O. that there was no need to investigate further. If I were to become aware of WT-defined sin on my own (without another elder's knowledge) I would counsel and not even tell anyone about it. That's what the elders were doing for their families in my cong. and that's what I did for anyone.

    Oh, if someone was involved in adultery or the worst sin of all, smoking, I couldn't squash it if another elder knew about it. Same with some things that were widely known, but I did what I could for the members and tried to get them to say the right words like "I promise not to discuss doctrine with my disfellowshipped son." I never insisted that people promised to shun someone and I told other elders that we just couldn't ask that much of these people who clearly loved their family.

    Shortly after that, I saw the casual attitude of the elders toward the 1995 change in "generation" doctrine and I learned further that obedience to the doctrine was important, but not to take it so "seriously." These were also the same guys that tried to handle problems in the cong. within 2 weeks of a C.O. visit, then when the C.O. asked if there were any ongoing problems, they could honestly say, "No, everything has been handled properly."

    Occasionally, I was told that I was too easy on people. I took it as a compliment. I never cared for being an elder, I only thought Jehovah wanted me to be one. So I was free to be myself. All they could ever do was threaten to take my "title" away and I didn't care if they did.

    Thanks for plodding through my story. Let me know if it helped anyone.

  • undercover
    undercover

    Glad your shared your story. This shows that not all elders are/were assholes or on power trips. Some were actually trying to shepard and help the flock, not lord it over them.

    Yes, there are asshole elders and people on power trips, but for all the years that I was trapped in the cult, the vast majority of elders were not bad guys, just mislead. But it only takes a few bad experiences with jerk elders to taint the whole lot of em. I can remember all the bad deals I had much more than I can the good ones...but there were good ones and a select few elders stand out in my mind as good, decent, mericful men. Men who probably were serving the idea of a god namend Jehovah much better than the organization they represented.

  • cult classic
    cult classic

    OTWO - the men in my family are/were the kind of elders you describe yourself as being. For the most part the elders in most of my congregations really seemed to care. The occasional a--hole elder story always infuriated me b/c it seemed so unnecessary. It wasn't until some of my family (and later myself) had run ins with some bethel elders that I really came to see how hateful and backstabbing they can be..... it got bad for many I knew over the years.

    I know for a fact that what endears a lot of witnesses to the congregation is finding an elder who really cares and understands them. They feel as if it is a gift from Jehovah. It kind of becomes the ultimate trap though because it makes it seem like the problems in the org are because of a few rotten apples and that some day very very soon, Jehovah and Jesus will clean house and lift the burden these elders with bad personalities place on them. They never come around to seeing the problem stemming from the foundation of the religion.

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    OTWO..

    Sounds like we had similar ways of trying to keep people out of the JC room. There were times that I was forced to stand by while petty "rules" were enforced and for that I will always be sorry. I think I may have written previously about a situation in which a sister who was still under restriction from a previous JC could not have her wedding at the KH..and a MS friend and his wife did not attend because of the elders stand on it.... then not long after the PO's sister gets a free pass ...not to have a wedding at our KH, but at her fiancee's KH. It was arranged by her JC (from our KH) to expedite the lifting of restrictions so that she could have a wedding at the KH. Such sickening hypocrisy.

    It sickens me now thinking about it.

    I had individuals approach me on various occasions...smoking, fornication, doubts about the Org. I, too, squashed or otherwise intervened if at all possible. One case was a brother who was being eyeballed for apostasy. The PO and his daddy (the former PO) must have had a grudge against this brother...I swear it was like a witchhunt with all of the "Investigative Committees" they had on him and the reams of paper the PO printed out from this brother's blog proving his apostasy (no such proof...it was a stretch). I had the brother and his family switched to my Tuesday night Book Study group out of the one the PO conducted...I told the PO it was so I could "keep an eye on him" but in reality it was so the PO couldn't. I warned this brother what was going on behind the scenes. I tried to keep him out of the line of fire for as long as possible.

    Eventually he was DF for apostasy, but I think between the original JC (which the CO made all of us elders serve on, I am sure as a loyalty test on our part) and the appeals committee, the brother was able to speak his mind and go out the way he wanted. I am sure he is happier now... (you can PM me or post if I am wrong). I was impressed with his calm demeanor in the meeting...at least that was how I recall it.

    The whole JC system is so unChristian....... sigh....glad I am out of it...

    Snakes (Rich )

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    If the other committee were just quicker to meet with their sinner than us, they could have handled both matters. I would have not seen this display of favoritism. I am sure I would have learned eventually, but it is possible that I might have remained as a gung-ho, follow-the-Borg, stress-over-the-details kind of elder myself.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Thanks for that candid glance behind the JC curtain.

    I was generally of the "Hey they said they're sorry, private reproof, don't rake 'em over the guilt coals, let's move on" mindset.

    I'll never forget one woman who desperately wanted out of her marriage. Repeatedly cheating on her husband was the only way to get us to DF her. We finally obliged.

    Never had to deal with Child Abuse thank goodness. My mindset would have been a bit different.

    What a totally screwed up "arrangement" from Jehovah.

    om

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    I know there are elders like you around, here and there.

    Unfortunately, in 40 years of the cult, I never met many of them.

    Thanx for sharing that. Gives me hope for the human race, if not for Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Jeff

  • tec
    tec

    I liked your story. If more individuals were as caring as you showed that you were, and did not show 'favoritism', then some of the problems inside might be resolved.

    Tammy

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Thanks everyone for your positive comments. The best elder I ever met hated being an elder. He turned us down for the promotion 3 times before he reluctantly accepted. He always did things for the sick and elderly and didn't mention it for any credit. He didn't try to shine in front of people, but always managed to do so. Any judicial case he was on, he did his best to reach the person. He hated organization rules being put ahead of consideration and kindness. When he moved, he refused to be re-appointed as an elder in his new cong..

    But yes, it was the sorry excuses for elders that helped me to be a better one.

  • monkeyman
    monkeyman

    OTWO

    I feel a similar background. It's interesting that the ORG does not seem to value those who are sympathetic. If you are empathetic to the flock, especially in judicial cases, you are considered weak and of no value.

    Those who are harsh and cold are considered STRONG and of high regard.

    The sad thing is that this is not going to change soon.

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