Adherence to FALSE TEACHINGS required of Jehovah's people: Scottish Court Case transcripts confirm

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  • Terry

    In 1954 a controversial court case, Douglas Walsh vs. The Right Honorable James Latham Clyde, M.P.C. was held in Scotland to determine if Jehovah's Witnesses should be exempt from military service and granted status as "ordained ministers". What is of outstanding interest is that testimony in this trial is extraordinarily revealing. It displays the policy-making process in the Watchtower Society as spoken by its highest officials which included Vice-President (later President) Fred W. Franz, Douglas Walsh, congregation elder and attroney Hayden Covington.

    Legal counsel for the Society Haydon C. Covington’s testimony before the attorney for the Ministry of Labour and National Service included the following:

    Q. Is it not vital to speak the truth on religious matters?

    A. It certainly is.

    Q. Is there in your view room in a religion for a change of interpretation of Holy Writ from time to time?

    A. There is every reason for a change in interpretation as we view it, of the Bible. Our view becomes more clear as we see the prophesy fulfilled by time.

    Q. You have promulgated -- forgive the word -- false prophesy?

    A. We have -- I do not think we have promulgated false prophesy, there have been statements that were erronious, that is the way I put it, and mistaken.

    Q. Is it a most vital consideration in the present situation of the world to know if the prophesy can be interpreted into terms of fact, when Christ's Second Coming was?

    A. That is true, and we have always striven to see that we have the truth before we utter it. We go on the very best information we have but we cannot wait until we get perfect, because if we wait until we get perfect we would never be able to speak.

    Q. Let us follow that up just a little. It was promulgated as a matter which must be believed by all members of Jehovah's Witnesses that the Lord's Second Coming took place in 1874?

    A. I am not familiar with that. You are speaking on a matter that I know nothing of.

    Q. You heard Mr. Franz's evidence?

    A. I heard Mr. Franz testify, but I am not familiar with what he said on that, I mean the subject matter of what he was talking about, so I cannot answer any more than you can, having heard what he said.

    Q. Leave me out of it?

    A. That is the source of my information, what I have heard in court.

    Q. You have studied the literature of your movement?

    A. Yes, but not all of it. I have not studied the seven volumes of "Studies in the Scriptures," and I have not studied this matter that you are mentioning now of 1874. I am not at all familiar with that.

    Q. Assume from me that it was promulgated as authoritative by the Society that Christ's Second Coming was in 1874?

    A. Taking that assumption as a fact, it is a hypothetical statement.

    Q. That was the publication of false prophesy?

    A. That was the publication of a false prophesy, it was a false statement or an erronious statement in fulfilment of a prophesy that was false or erroneous.

    Q. And that had to be believed by the whole of Jehovah's Witnesses?

    A. Yes, because you must understand we must have unity, we cannot have disunity with a lot of people going every way, an army is supposed to march in step.

    Q. You do not believe in the worldly armies, do you?

    A. We believe in the Christian Army of God.

    Q. Do you believe in the worldly armies?

    A. We have nothing to say about that, we do not preach against them, we merely say that the worldly armies, like the nations of the world today, are a part of Satan's Organisation, and we do not take part in them, but we do not say the nations cannot have their armies, we do not preach against warfare, we are merely claiming our exemption from it, that is all.

    Q. Back to the point now. A false prophesy was promulgated?

    A.I agree that.

    Q. It had to be accepted by Jehovah's Witnesses?

    A. That is correct.

    Q. If a member of Jehovah's Witnesses took the view himself that that prophesy was wrong and said so he would be disfellowshipped?

    A. Yes, if he said so and kept persisting in creating trouble, because if the whole organisation believes one thing, even though it be erronious and somebody else starts on his own trying to put his ideas across then there is disunity and trouble, there cannot be harmony, there cannot be marching. When a change comes it should come from the proper source, the head of the organisation, the governing body, not from the bottom upwards, because everybody would have ideas, and the organisation would disintegrate and go in a thousand different directions. Our purpose is to have unity.

    Q. Unity at all costs?

    A. Unity at all costs, because we believe and are sure that Jehovah God is using our organisation, the governing body of our organisation to direct it, even though mistakes are made from time to time.

    Q. And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of false prophecy?

    A. That is conceded to be true.

    Q. And the person who expressed his view, as you say, that it was wrong, and was disfellowshipped, would be in breach of the Covenant, if he was baptized?

    A. That is correct.

    Q. And as you said yesterday expressly, would be worthy of death?

    A. I think -- -- --

    Q. Would you say yes or no?

    A. I will answer yes, unhesitatingly.

    Q. Do you call that religion?

    A. It certainly is.

    Q. Do you call it Christianity?

    A. I certainly do.

    Attorney for the Ministry of Labour and National Service now questions Fred Franz, vice-president of the Society

    Q. In addition to these regular publications do you prepare and issue a number of theological pamphlets and books from time to time?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Can you tell me this; are these theological publications and the semi-monthly periodicals used for discussion of statements of doctrine?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Are these statements of doctrine held to be authoritative within the Society?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Is their acceptance a matter of choice, or is it obligatory on all those who wish to be and remain members of the Society?

    A. It is obligatory.........

    The counsellor for the British government next turns his attention to the Watchtower Society's rejected teachings involving specific dates.

    Are members expected to believe and accept a teaching that was later rejected by the Society itself?

    Q. Did [Pastor Russell] not fix 1874 as some other crucial date?

    A. 1874 used to be understood as the date of Jesus' Second Coming spiritually.

    Q. Do you say, used to be understood?

    A. That is right.

    Q. That was issued as a fact which was to be accepted by all who were Jehovah's Witnesses?

    A. Yes.

    Q. That is no longer now accepted, is it?

    A. No.


    Q. But it was a calculation which is no longer accepted by the Board of Directors of the Society?

    A. That is correct.

    Q. So that am I correct, I am just anxious to canvas the position; it became the bounden duty of the Witnesses to accept this miscalculation?

    A. Yes


    Q. So that what is published as the truth today by the Society may have to be admitted to be wrong in a few years?

    A. We have to wait and see.

    Q. And in the meantime the body of Jehovah's Witnesses have been following error?

    A. They have been following misconstructions on the Scriptures.

    Q. Error?

    A. Well, error.

    "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." -- F. Scott Fitzgerald, Esquire

    Next the British counselor tries to clarify the compulsory nature of believe and the authority of the Watchtower Society to compel adherence to its teachings.

    A. These [Watchtower Society] books give an exposition on the whole Scriptures.

    Q. But an authoritative exposition?

    A. They submit the Bible or the statements that are therein made, and the individual examines the statement and then the Scripture to see that the statement is Scripturally supported.

    Q. He what?

    A. He examines the Scripture to see whether the statement is supported by the Scripture. As the Apostle says: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good".

    Q. I understood the position to be -- do please correct me if I am wrong -- that a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses must accept as a true Scripture and interpretation what is given in the books I referred you to?

    A. But he does not compulsorily do so, he is given his Christian right of examining the Scriptures to confirm that this is Scripturally sustained.

    Q. And if he finds that the Scripture is not sustained by the books, or vice versa, what does he do?

    A. The Scripture is there in support of the statement, that is why it is put there.

    Q. What does a man do if he finds a disharmony between the Scripture and those books?

    A. You will have to produce me a man who does find that, then I can answer, or he will answer.

    Franz is clearly wriggling and spinning to avoid admiting that "present truth" can itself be in error.

    Q. Did you imply that the individual member has the right of reading the books and the Bible and forming his own view as to the proper interpretation of Holy Writ?

    A. He comes -- -- --

    Q. Would you say yes or no, and then qualify?

    A. No. Do you want me to qualify now?

    Q. Yes, if you wish?

    A. The Scripture is there given in support of the statement, and therefore the individual when he looks up the Scripture and thereby verifies the statement, then he comes to the Scriptural view of the matter, Scriptural understanding as it is written in Acts, the seventeenth chapter and the eleventh verse, that the Bereans were more noble than those of Thessalonica in that they received the Word with all readiness, and they searched the Scripture to see whether those things were so, and we instruct to follow that noble course of the Bereans in searching the Scripture to see whether these things were so.

    Q. A Witness has no alternative, has he, to accept as authoritative and to be obeyed instructions issued in the "Watchtower" or the "Informant" or "Awake"?

    A. He must accept those.

    Haydon Covington:

    Unity is more important than Doctrinal Truth.

    Accepting false prophecy is okay to achieve unity

    While encouraging members to examine its doctrines, the Soceity does not permit them to decide whether or not to obey them. Examining scriptures is only for the purpose of confirming the Watchtower's doctrines.

    Members are required (upon penality of disfellowshipping) to accept doctrines which may later be rejected as false.

    Members are obligated to agree with everything the Society teaches without publicly or privately voicing conscientious

    discord. Pretending to agree to what one does not believe to be true is required to maintain unity.

    One comes away from a review of the transcripts of this trial realizing an essential fact.

    The Watchtower Society admits it is fallible, not inspired and frequently wrong while at the same time never allowing any member to exercise a conscientious disagreement with any teaching (which may later be rejected as a false teaching.)

    The unavoidable conclusion it that Jehovah's Witnesses are members of a mind control cult run by intellectually dishonest despots.

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  • wannabefree
  • dissed

    If not for the web, few people would have been able to read that....

  • LongHairGal

    When I first read this in the year 2000, I was shocked at the arrogance. If anybody in the religion wants to defend this my question to them would be: where in the bible did they teach anything false to the disciples that was tolerated for any length of time? Anything wrong would have been corrected right away.

    This was one of the many things I learned that was the last straw for me as far as this religion is concerned.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Court reporters are our friends. Is it any wonder that the Borg is quick to settle suits nowadays and hardly ever fights cases in court anymore?

  • not a captive
    not a captive

    Amazing to see this transcript. If that had been laid out when I started my Bible "study" with the Witnesses it would have ended then.

    Not having the clergy be the only ones who could "know the truth" is what was the trade mark that they brought to the door. They told us that we would be free of that oppression--THEY didn't have a clergy, we could see for ourselves what the words said. What a terrific lie. I've never been around a religion that was more controlling of every thought or action.

    Thanks for posting this. I'll spread the word of this transcript as far as I can. Maeve

  • Soldier77

    I've read parts of this transcript before and it just boggles the mind on how the GB can do this. What's even more appalling is that the average JW has no idea of this type of information that can be read and researched on the internet.

    Thanks for the post Terry. I'm downloading it now and I'm going to add this to the growing list of research items to do.

  • Terry

    Who was Olin Moyle and why should you care about a letter he wrote to the President of the Watchtower Society? Moyle was an attorney who had been a member of the Pastor Russell Bible Students group from the year 1910 onward. He remained through the death of Russell in 1916 and the controversial changeover in leadership which followed. He was invited by Judge Franklin Rutherford to move into the Bethel headquarters in Brooklyn from his home in Wisconsin. Moyle accepted, sold his home and move his belongings. He and his wife and son arrived in New York to begin their service to Jehovah. For four years Moyle, his wife Phoebe and their son Peter worked in Bethel. During this time Moyle witnessed the treatment President Judge Rutherford inflicted on the brothers and sisters. He was moved to write a letter---a personal letter--to Rutherford calling him out and holding him accountable for outrageous oppression, discriminations and unfair treatments. The result was to lead to a public trial when Moyle was moved to sue the WATCHTOWER BIBLE and TRACT SOCIETY for the denunciation and abuse his family had received by their own religious leader. Moyle won his lawsuit and was awarded $30,000 (later reduced to half that.) The Society appealed and tied up the court until after Moyle died. According to his heirs the money was not forthcoming. Read for yourself from Olin Moyle's papers as well as the transcripts.

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    This part really says it all......

    Q. Unity at all costs?

    A. Unity at all costs, because we believe and are sure that Jehovah God is using our organisation, the governing body of our organisation to direct it, even though mistakes are made from time to time.

    Q. And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of false prophecy?

    A. That isconceded to be true.

    Q. And the person who expressed his view, as you say, that it was wrong, and was disfellowshipped, would be in breach of the Covenant, if he was baptized?

    A. That is correct.

  • Terry

    I believe the Watchtower Society studied the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church and its history of dealing with internal dissent and with heretics.

    Its own structure is remarkably similar if not identical.

    While the Catholics are directed toward the Pontiff and assured by the doctrine of Majesterium; Jehovah's Witnesses are directed toward the

    Governing Body as though it were a single person or Slave with oracular connections to correct teachings.

    The really revealing part is when they acknowledge they are not infallible and that they have errors in teachings while holding

    members absolutely and unequivocally accountable to those fallible and error-laden teachings!

    This amounts to binding people to error as a question of faith!

    The Catholic Church believes that what is bound on earth is also bound in heaven (Matt.16:19) thus giving them directorship over heaven itself.

    The Watchtower's Governance requires members to be bound by their declarations up and until those declarations are discarded as unworthy of belief.

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