Dialogue on the Name "Jehovah"

maputo95

Please comment on the exchange below, the JW is in blue and I'm in red. Thank you.

GOD ONLY HAS ONE NAME – JEHOVAH

(IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL BIBLE IN 7000 PLACES)

CIAO

YOU ARE WRONG DEREK GOD HAS MANY DESCRIPTIVE NAMES. THE NAME JEHOVAH DOES NOT EXIST AS THERE IS NO "J" SOUND IN THE BIBLE. SEE NEXT SUBMISSION FOR THE NAMES OF GOD.

The old King James Bible spells out the name Jehovah. Check it out . Long before the New World Translation was done to put God’s name back in where it belongs (removed 7000 times by Christendom and substituted with the word “Lord”)

The King James version is one of the oldest versions

End of story

The Old King James Bible does use the term "Jehovah" in the Old Testament a few times but never in the New Testament . This version of the Bible has many errors including the inclusion ot the misnomer "Jehovah". The Rheims-Duoay Bible never uses this term. The term was wrongly included in the New World Version 1000s of times by the poor scholars of the WTBTS who put together the errant version in such a way to justify their peculiar doctrines.

The old King James Bible spells out the name Jehovah. Check it out . Long before the New World Translation was done to put God’s name back in where it belongs (removed 7000 times by Christendom and substituted with the word “Lord”)

The King James version is one of the oldest versions

End of story

King James is not an early version, it is a late protestant version of the 17th Century.

It is NOT the end of the story and you cannot win my affinity by thought-stopping statements like this

will NEVER change my views and neither will you.

No more merrygorounds please

am not asking you to change your views but to explain how " Jehovah " is the proper name of God when you know that Hebrew the Language of the Old Testament does not contain the 'j' sound as in "Jehovah",

I woulld like to discuss "truth" but it seems that all you want to do is run away which is morally wrong. You cannot face the fact that the "WTBTS is WRONG is so many areas, the name of "Jehovah" just being one of them.

TTWSYF

What you should have done is show that the name Jehovah was first recorded from the 13th century C.E. Raymundus Martini [a spanish monk from the Dominican Order]. He used it in his book 'Pugeo Fidei' in 1270. Hebrew scholars favor 'Yahweh' as the most likely pronunciation. That is from Aid to bible understanding [1971 pgs 884-885]

That if proof enough that Jehovah is not God's name.

Then ask how the name came to be - [It is a hybrid of the YHWH with vowels added from Adonai{Lord}].

Jehovah is a false name. It is not God's name. The Jews [then and now] didn't dare try to even speak his name. If they ever did, it certainly wasn't Jehovah.

dc

isaacaustin

Why is the JW putting more faith in a 1611 version than in 5000+ manuscripts, some possibly dating back to the later 2nd century - where absolutely none contain the Tetragrammaton?

PSacramento

The issue isn't the name, it is, at best, liek any other "version" of YHWH.

The issue is the over realiance on the TERM Jehovah and the neglect of Jesus's proper place:

ACTS: 4:12

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

"Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11).

maputo95

Thank you TTWSYF for your irrefutable logic. Why don't JWs ever read academic books from reputable universities on the Bible. they seem to repeat endlessly simplifications they are drilled on from their own literature?

JWoods

Forcing the name Jehovah all through the New Testament in the NWT has to be one of the most dishonest things the WTS has ever done.

And they have done a remarkable number of very dishonest things.

Terry

The pronunciation of a name that really shouldn't be used except in the most pious, holy and sacrosanct circumstances is a non-issue, really.

Jehovah's Witnesses have God into a Nike Swoosh logo they wear on their tidy whities, T-shirts and bumper stickers.

Jehovah is a trademark to them.

They speak in that Name and attribute authorship for their own pronouncements.

When things go wrong they don't take responsibility for error---the only guilty parties left are Jehovah and those who listen to them.

IF THERE IS ONLY ONE true god, that god would not need a name because an ONLY TRUE god is not a genus with differentia.

PSacramento

To echo Terry and what I said earlier, dont' focus too much on the pronunciation thing, most JW's are trained to throw the "Jesus" card at you ( Jesus isn't his "real" name either and all that).

The issue is how MUCH they make of that name and how little they make of what the NT and Jesus teach about that.

The term "name" means so much more than the mere "name", but all it stands for.

The hebrews used Adonai and Elohim also and again, as SUPPOSED Christians, they name they should focus on is Christ's name, for as Christians they "know" that, "no man can come to God, but through Jesus Christ".

undercover

Just pull out the brochure "The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever" (published by the Watchtower Society) and show them where the Society admits that no one knows the actual spelling or pronunciation. In addition they actually explain how the name "Jehovah" came to be.

The facts are there in their own literature.

Unfortunately, however, they go on to rationalize why it's still preferrable to use the incorrect name...which most indoctrinated dubs will accept as evidence enough that it is still God's real name.

maputo95

terry

IF THERE IS ONLY ONE true god, that god would not need a name because an ONLY TRUE god is not a genus with differentia.

Fantastic and simple logic. Thank you so much!

Dialogue on the Name "Jehovah"

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