This DEBATE is quite thrilling.
Start at Three minutes and forty two seconds where Bart Ehrman begins speaking. Then, if you find this compelling, go back and watch all the debate.
Remember: 3:42 seconds in.....
FASCINATING debate: do we actually know what JESUS taught at all??
by Terry 34 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Terry
Ehrman at 4:24:
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Heaven
Thank you, Terry. That was very interesting. Not that I'm a Bible scholar by any stretch of the imagination because... well... I just don't wanna be. But when I was studying with the JWs, I questioned a lot in the Bible as well as what the JWs were spouting. My questions could never be answered.
I enliken the Bible to the child's party activity where they all sit in a circle and one kid starts off whispering to the kid next to him/her something like "I love peanut butter sandwiches!"
When the story goes around the entire circle and ends up back at the originating child, it isn't ANYTHING like what it started out as.
The Bible is the 'I-love-peanut-butter-sandwiches' sentence all screwed up.
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Terry
Ehrman right from the beginning.
COMPELLING!
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Terry
I recommend you watch the ENTIRE debate because it represents what is going on in the world of biblical scholarship presently
with the Evangelical ironclad insistence vs the textual critics.
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glenster
I would add Larry W. Hurtado's books on the topic of the earliest ideas about Jesus.
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/book-review-how-on-earth-did-jesus-become-a-god-larry-w-hurtado/
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xi5xIxgnNgcC&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=rainbow+%22jewish+monotheism+as+the+matrix%22&source=web&ots=h7srqzHfiL&sig=zbJnJwWOgWPfNuv7vOo6jmvURjo#PPA111,M1
http://www.forananswer.org/Top_JW/Hurtado_Monotheism.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=_MH-_ZQuZrgC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=lord+jesus+christ+devotion+to+jesus+in+earliest+christianity+by+larry+w+hurtado&source=web&ots=51zZL66JbP&sig=sW4lRlEYEFHrDSQsfoWUVBqt6mk -
wobble
Of course we do not have a clue what Jesus actually said or taught, the closest writings in time to his death were decades after his death, by which time a lot of people were interested in building myths about him.
We only have translations of copies of copies of those first myths.
I would love to know what he said, for an obscure country boy who had not attended the rabbinic schools, he certainly had an effect.
I doubt we will ever know, just as we don't know for sure what the Prophet Mohammed said, writings of his "words" only being started decades after his death.
Wobble