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Who wrote the book of Revelation?
by Doug Mason 24 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Terry
Interesting, perhaps, but on the other hand...
Bible Scholar Vernon Mcgee makes some points that I believe would tend to put the Revelation as the type of book written by John.
Where's the part about "Bible Scholar"?
Dr. J. Vernon McGee
John Vernon McGee was born in Hillsboro, Texas, in 1904. Dr. McGee remarked, "When I was born and the doctor gave me the customary whack, my mother said that I let out a yell that could be heard on all four borders of Texas!" His Creator well knew that he would need a powerful voice to deliver a powerful message.
As a student pastor, Dr. McGee's first church was located on a red clay hill in Midway Georgia. It was there that he received his greatest compliment: "It was from a country boy wearing high buttoned, yellow shoes. After a morning service he came to speak to me. He groped for words, then blurted out, 'I never knew Jesus was so wonderful!' He started to say more but choked up and hurried out of the church. As I watched him stride across the field, I prayed, 'Oh, God, help me to always preach so that it can be said, I never knew Jesus was so wonderful.'"
After completing his education (earning his A.B. from Southwestern University in Memphis, Tennessee; his B.D. from Columbia Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia; his Th.M. and Th.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas), and after pastoring Presbyterian churches in Decatur, GA, Nashville, TN, and Cleburne, TX, he and his wife came west, settling in Pasadena, where he accepted a call to the Lincoln Avenue Presbyterian Church. He recalls this period as the happiest in his life, with a young family and a young congregation whom he loved.Dr. McGee's greatest pastorate was at the historic, Church of the Open Door in downtown Los Angeles, where he served from 1949 to 1970. There he began a daily radio broadcast called "High Noon Bible Class" on a single station.
Dr. McGee began teaching Thru the Bible in 1967. After retiring from the pastorate, he set up radio headquarters in Pasadena, and the radio ministry expanded rapidly. Today the program airs on over 400 stations each day in the United States and Canada, is heard in more than 100 languages around the world and is broadcast worldwide via the Internet.
During his last few years, failing health demanded the cancellation of many speaking engagements. This was extremely distressing to him. There was no recurrence of an earlier bout with cancer during this time, only a weakening heart. Back in 1965, after radical surgery, the doctors had given him 6 months to live. The Lord gave him 23 years. -
Doug Mason
Terry,
Have you read these books yet?
"Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes", John Shelby Spong
"What Paul Meant", Garry Wills.
"How to Read the JewishBible", Marc Zvi Brettler.
"Who Wrote the Bible?", Richard Elliott Friedman
The following are by Bart Ehrman:
"The New Testament and Other Early Christian Writings"; "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture"; "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why".
Doug
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Terry
He certainly was a very Jewish Jew
I know I'm going to hate myself for asking, but.......what is a Jewish Jew, much less a very one?
What would a not very Jewish Jew look like? Can we name one? Just curious......oh---and how is
a very Jewish Jew different from, say, a Jew?
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Terry
Terry,
Have you read these books yet?
"Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes", John Shelby Spong
"What Paul Meant", Garry Wills.
"How to Read the JewishBible", Marc Zvi Brettler.
"Who Wrote the Bible?", Richard Elliott Friedman
The following are by Bart Ehrman:
"The New Testament and Other Early Christian Writings"; "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture"; "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why".
Doug
Doug, I've read all of them except "how to Read the Jewish Bible." Do you reccomend it?
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read good books
Interesting, perhaps, but on the other hand...
Bible Scholar Vernon Mcgee makes some points that I believe would tend to put the Revelation as the type of book written by John.
Where's the part about "Bible Scholar"?
After completing his education (earning his A.B. from Southwestern University in Memphis, Tennessee; his B.D. from Columbia Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia; his Th.M. and Th.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas
Well he is a graduate of a seminary but he has written on almost every book of the bible and I find his work quite scholarly and also he is dead now but his old broad casts were every informative. He may have views I disagree with but he is one of the scholars I like to go to for a quick explanation of a scripture, not that I am a member of his or any church.
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Terry
PSacramento said: It was John of Patmos, beyond that, it is pure specula
tion.The first historian of early christianity (living at the time of Constantine) was Eusebius. In his "Ecclessiastical History"....
Eusebius says that two different Johns must be distinguished, John the Apostle, and John the Presbyter, with the Gospel assigned to the Apostle and the Book of Revelation to the presbyter. [25]
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Doug Mason
The Pauline Writings
Thirteen letters are attributed to Paul in the New Testament, and for centuries they were all accepted as his. But modern scholarship has reached a consensus that some were definitely not written by him and others are of dubious authenticity. Only seven are now accepted as certainly by him. The seven in their probable order of composition are
1 Thess Letter to the Thessalonians
Gal Letter to the Galatians
Phil Letter to the Philippians
Phlm Letter to Philemon
1 Cor First Letter to the Corinthians
2 Cor Second Letter to the Corinthians
Rom Letter to the Romans
Two letters seem to be written by followers of Paul who had a profound understanding of what could be made of his teaching:
Col Letter to the Colossians
Eph Letter to the Ephesians
One letter seems a clumsy restatement of a genuine one:
2 Thess Purported Letter to the Thessalonians
Three later letters are written in circumstances and from standpoints clearly not Paul's:
Tit Letter to Titus
1 Tim First Letter to Timothy
2 Tim Second Letter to Timothy
For understanding what Paul meant, one must rely on the letters accepted by almost all scholars as authentic.
(“What Paul Meant”, Garry Wills)
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Paul died in 64 CE, before Jerusalem was destroyed, before any other extant NT writings were produced, and while the “People of the Way” were Jewish, not a separate entity. The Gentiles were being grafted on to the Jews, not the other way around.
Doug
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Terry
I'll bet a lot of you here would really get a huge benefit from visiting the Biblescholar's forum:
You'll have to cut and past in your URL:
http://biblescholarsforums.com/
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Doug Mason
Terry,
Written by a Jewish biblical scholar and teacher, in "How to Read the Jewish Bible" Brettler examines the historical contexts prevailing at the time a Hebrew scripture was written - the historical critical method.
It is really well worth reading.
Doug
After completing his education (earning his A.B. from Southwestern University in Memphis, Tennessee; his B.D. from Columbia Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia; his Th.M. and Th.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas), and after pastoring Presbyterian churches in Decatur, GA, Nashville, TN, and Cleburne, TX, he and his wife came west, settling in Pasadena, where he accepted a call to the Lincoln Avenue Presbyterian Church. He recalls this period as the happiest in his life, with a young family and a young congregation whom he loved.
During his last few years, failing health demanded the cancellation of many speaking engagements. This was extremely distressing to him. There was no recurrence of an earlier bout with cancer during this time, only a weakening heart. Back in 1965, after radical surgery, the doctors had given him 6 months to live. The Lord gave him 23 years.