Prophecy For Idiots

by Farkel 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Let's talk about prophecy! For the purposes of this discussion it doesn't matter if it is "Bible-Based(tm)" prophecy or Koran-Based prophecy or any other type of prophecy as long it is to be assumed the prophecy comes from or was divinely inspired by God.

    THE FIRST BIG QUESTION FOR PROPHECY

    The first question I have is one that no one seems to bother to ask whenever the subject of prophecy arises.:

    "Why have any prophecy from God at all?"

    When that question is asked, it brings up new questions that True Believers never ask. They only assume they know the answer without really thinking about the question.

    There are only two possible asnwers to that question I can come up with.

    1) God is trying to tell us something that is very important for us to know for our benefit or, if the prophecy is a dire one, God is trying to scare the shit out of us. This question would include the notion that God is also trying to tell us He DOES exist and He IS INVOLVED in our affairs and He wants to let us know that only a true God could make prophecies that always come true.

    True Believers believe this is the correct answer for having prophecy at all, but they haven't thought through the ramifications of this answer. If they did, they would cease being True Believers.

    2) God is just having fun and is trying to mess with our heads.

    It isn't difficult to surmise that most people would dismiss reason #2 as absurd. I wouldn't be too hasty in doing that if I were you, though. There are mountains of evidence that God messes with our heads, but for the sake of brevity, I will only mention one piece of rock-solid evidence for this: The Watchtower Society claims to speak for God, but they don't, and God hasn't done a damn thing about that. So there.

    So we end up with reason #1 as the sole reason for God giving us prophecy. To my skeptical and somewhat demon-infested mind, ths brings up several questions. If God really wanted to CONVINCE us of His existence and that He is involved in our affairs, He could do much better than just have some prophecies written.

    Here are a few good reasons why I say this:

    Fatal Flaw # 1) The prophecies in the Bible can be interpreted in a number of totally different ways, each of which makes about as much sense or as much nonsense as any of the other ways. This problem doesn't do much to help God's image and in fact, tends to defeat reason #1, namely that God wants to convince us He's the one and only Big Kahuna.

    Fatal Flaw # 2) Many of the prophecies in the Bible were worthless to the people living at the time they were written, since they were not to be "fulfilled" for hundreds or thousands of years later. Since the people living when they were written didn't see any fulfillment, they would either end up being skeptical of the propheices and the "God" who made them, or else they would make up shit about the prophecies being fulfilled in their day, or worse, die believing but also frustrated that nothing happened in their lifetimes. Whatever the reason, it doesn't look good for God and therefore the idea of "prophecy" defeats the very purpose it was created for.

    PROPHECY THAT WORKS

    For a God to be totally convincing through the use of prophecy, God would have to make prophecies very often throughout history, at least once every generation. Those prophecies would have to be fulfilled in that generation so humans (not just Jews) could see the hand of God at work firsthand and thus be motivated to do the will of God. A few long-range prophecies would be okay as long as they stated they would be long range (they don't now), and as long as they were used in moderation. And the prophecies should be (let me emphasize this) EASY TO FIGURE OUT, EVEN FOR IDIOTS LIKE ME!

    Suppose in 594 B.C. Daniel of the Bible wrote:

    "On the first day of a future month called "September" and 1939 years after the start of the Christian Era or 2,532 solar years from now (there will be NO zero year), an "Austrian" man named "Adolf Hitler" from a Country called "Germany", using a brand new type of warfare called "Blitzkrieg" involving machines that fly and will be called "airplanes will invade a Country called "Poland" (which will also be a Country brunted by very tasteless jokes)."

    Now, THAT is a prophecy worthy of any God who wants to get into the prophecy business!

    Fatal Flaw #2 (prophecy far into the future) also tell us that the people living at the time the prophecy was written weren't important enough, good enough or worthy enough to know what the future fulfillment of the prophecy would be. They had the privilege of writing the prophecy but were denied the privilege of knowing the prophecy. That sucks and makes God look like either a malevolent prankster or a sadist. Besides, I don't think that any prophecy that is fulfilled say, 40 years into the future is that much less significant than one that is fulfilled 2,500 years into the future. So why punish the ancients with that ignorance of prophecy, then? It just isn't fair. God is supposed to play fair, is He not?

    THE UNDENIABLE DILEMMA OF PROPHECY

    Next, let us assume for the moment that God does cause prophecies to be written and that they always come true. Those are two huge "IFs", but we shall proceed anyway.

    We can draw some conclusions from this hypothesis.

    The bad man had no other choice than to do the bad thing. Otherwise, God's prophecy would have been false.

    If fulfilling prophecy is a good thing and vindicates God's ability to see the future, then those who fulfill the prophecy have caused a good thing to happen (fulfillment of God's prophecy), even if the prophecy states they are wicked and do wicked things.

    Now I know what argument is now popping up in the minds of True Believers. "Just because God can see the future, doesn't mean that he causes the future. Men have free will. It's not God's fault that the prophecy predicted that an evil man would do an evil thing."

    So, now we come to the biggest dilemma of all: God can either "see" the future, or God cannot "see" the future. If God cannot see the future, God is not omniscient and God cannot make infallible prophecy about the future. If God CAN see the future, then God already knows everything that is going to happen. Do you know what that means for you, little dubbies? It means all your lives have been WASTED with your futile preaching. This means that EVERY decision you make in life is already NOW known by God. Don't want to go preaching this Saturday and Sunday? God already knows you won't. Don't ever want to go preaching again? God knows that, too. Looking for those "honest-hearted ones", dubbies? God knows who they are, and God saves honest-hearted ones, so why bother with them? You can't make a non-honest-hearted person honest-hearted, either. They are either honest-hearted or they are not. You have been wasting your time. God already knows the outcome. Go see "Avatar!" God knows you're goiing to do that, too! Go get some strange poontang! He knows that, too!

    The Watchtower Printing and Marketing Corporation knows about this dilemma and they have offered the following ridiculous explanation for it: "Yes, God can easily know all future events, but he can also choose NOT to know SOME future events."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

    Just imagine God with this huge "God brain" full of trillions of trillions of "know future / not know future" switches. There would have to be enough of those switches to cover every future possibility for every future human who is alive. Can you imagine God "turning off" a ton of these switches on his own God-brain to PREVENT Him from knowing certain future events? He needs "switches" to dumb-down his brain!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

    I guess one could speculate that God could merely "will" Himself to NOT know certain future events. "I, God, now will Myself not to know what choices Farkel will or will not make during his life. Whew! Now I only have to do this with 6,500,000,000 more people and then I'm done!"

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

    AN ALTERNATIVE TO PROPHECY

    We have seen some of the many problems that are involved when God gets into the prophecy business. We haven't even discussed another possibility, namely, that God would have to "tweak" certain people to force them to make choices they wouldn't normally make just in order to make a God prophecy come true. Doing this would make people doomed to their fates from birth through predestination. This is otherwise known as "the collective screwing up future humans to make prophecy come true."

    IF God REALLY wanted to convince his human family of His existence and powers, He would have been better served through the use of clever miracles every 30 years or so. Nothing harmful or even super spectacular; just something that only a God could do. Here are a few humble suggestions for God to consider:

    1) Make it rain marshmellows in Antarctica. Be sure to set up a web-cam first.

    2) Make all politicians in Government honest. (Not sure even God can do that.)

    3) Make the Watchtower Society get ONE prediction right. (Nearly impossible, but doable.)

    4) Turn Jesse Jackson white.

    5) Make brussel sprouts taste good.

    6) Make lions eat straw and pettable

    Well, God? What do you think?

    Farkel, Just Tryin' to Help Out CLASS

  • onceawitness
    onceawitness

    Farkel, that was brilliant AND funny! Even when I was a faithful Dub, I thought occasionally about this dilemma:

    Most of the "prophecies" in the bibble are very general and vague as you mentioned. Without any specificity, how do we know a prophecy is fulfilled? It's a lot like those special people who always get asked what the new year will bring... sometimes they are specific about who, but not what. "The President will bring opposing forces together to the table." Does that mean he will get healthcare reform passed or does it mean he will sit down in the Rose Garden and have a beer with a black guy and a white police officer?

    "There will be earthquakes in one place after another. You will hear of wars and reports of wars, see that you are not terrified." Hmmmmm.... not really a hard prediction to make since those things have been going on since the first cave man clubbed some guy to take his ape girlfriend off for some much needed sexual gratification.

    If the prophecies are very specific, who is to say that people are not just acting in ways to make themselves a part of the prophecy and be the fulfillment of such?

    I chose not to think about this kind of thing... and in the end, trying to believe all this bull shit created more questions than answers.

    One thing I might add to your observations about this... if God chooses to NOT know certain events in the future, there must be some huge database of future events that he simply chooses not to write an SQL query for. How did the data get there? The data MUST exist in some form in order for the query to run. I'm pretty sure Microsoft, omnipotent and omniscient as they are, didn't provide it 14 billion years ago.

    OAW.

  • maninthemiddle
    maninthemiddle

    Good write up Farkel, It goes to show that phrophecy is easily fullfilled in hindsight.

    Now that I am allowing myself to read other therories there is one that has interested me.

    It is called Preterism. See this link for more info.

    But the basis is that all prophecy was fullfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem or with the first century christians.

    Really when you have so any symbols and signs and vague references to things, you can make it mean anything you want.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    :It goes to show that phrophecy is easily fullfilled in hindsight.

    Where did I say that?

    Farkel

  • dgp
    dgp

    I like this one.

    Farkel, have you considered prophecies from other Gods?

    "Yes, God can easily know all future events, but he can also choose NOT to know SOME future events."

    My prophecy is that at some point someone will notice that the statement above cannot possibly be true: How can YHWH choose not to know something? Only if he knows exactly what he is going to choose not to know. So much for an all powerful God. The logical corollary would be, "He can also choose to know what he decided to un-know, since he knew it". Right?

  • dgp
    dgp

    Oh yes, you did consider prophecies from other Gods. Only Allah is the same God, isn't he?

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Totally f----g irreverent and absolutely brilliant as usual - a definite keeper for me and already bookmarked - hope Lady Lee puts it in the "Best of" section

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    > somewhat demon-infested mind

    I'm curious... at what point is one's mind "fully demon-infested" as opposed to just "somewhat demon-infested"?

    What are the upper and lower limits?

    Also what unit of measurement are you using? Is this scale based on the number of demons in your head or to what extend a single demon has managed to climb into your head (only part of a single demon in your head with parts of the demon still handing out of your ear).

  • maninthemiddle
    maninthemiddle

    Farkel, you did say that, i did.

    You did say:

    Many of the prophecies in the Bible were worthless to the people living at the time they were written, since they were not to be "fulfilled" for hundreds or thousands of years later. Since the people living when they were written didn't see any fulfillment, they would either end up being skeptical of the propheices and the "God" who made them, or else they would make up shit about the prophecies being fulfilled in their day, or worse, die believing but also frustrated that nothing happened in their lifetimes. Whatever the reason, it doesn't look good for God and therefore the idea of "prophecy" defeats the very purpose it was created for.

    This is what i believe that the WTS does, take somehting that has already happened, and apply prophecy "X" to it long after the date had past.

  • maninthemiddle
    maninthemiddle

    farkel, that was still a great post you wrote. I didn't mean to detract from it.

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