What kind of World would it be with NO religion ? (page 3)

Out at Last!

Listen to John Lennon's Imagine song, pretty much sums it up for me. Now I have to go and listen to it.

THE GLADIATOR

Organized religion has so often been about power money and conquest. In the absence of religion those in power would find another excuse to fight, plunder and control the masses.

We already see Christianity losing its power and being replaced by a political union called 'the new world order.' It has two gods, power and money.

The muslim movement is still strong and seen as a threat to the new ideal world order. The JWs are a non-event. They have the same aims but 'wait on Jehovah.' It will be a long and fruitless wait.

Ultimately we will have one godless world power and we will all have to conform in order to trade and live.

Just my opinion - Hail Cesar!

BluesBrother

I think that, over time, there would be less of a reason to to be "good" and neighborly and we would see a reduction in the human values that mainstream religions promote.

Yes, religion has been abused by those who are extremist, and shamefully the big religions have aided and abetted the politicians in their power struggles. But every day there are untold millions of people helped to live better lives by their religion. It was outspoken priests who did a lot to eradicate slavery and apartheid and other wrongs, even though others of their number supported them .

BTW My wife would say that the removal of religion, or the "End of Babylon the Great " is the last thing before Armageddon, so perhaps I would be a little concerned !

Out at Last!

BTW My wife would say that the removal of religion, or the "End of Babylon the Great " is the last thing before Armageddon, so perhaps I would be a little concerned !

BluesBrother- You know they have never gotten anything correct, do you think they are right on this one? Does that prediction have anything to do with the measurements of the pyramid in Giza?

WTWizard

Science would reign supreme. Killings would be limited to removing tyrants from power--not trying to conquer the whole world with your religion. And, there would be no more people getting stoned to death or burned at the stake for disbelief of the official doctrine.

And no more stupid rules against homosexuality (among consenting pairs), adultery (it would be between the spouses, not the law), fornication, or having sex in ways that are not traditional. In some countries, even to this day, you can get stoned to death for adultery or fornication, or even having sex that is not the way they claim is "correct". Women are oppressed, with required face veils and restrictions on travel and work. None of which would be possible without religion.

Also, no more "Original Sin". Nor the promise of deliverance in the "near future" causing people to waste their whole lives trying to earn it, when God Himself is the one distressing mankind so He can "deliver" us from it.

hybridous

I would imagine that without religion to prod...humans would be killing and enslaving each other over which interpretation of Quantum Theory they hold to.

Just because religion is gone doesn't mean humans would embrace rationality. I see religion as merely a tool. At the heart of the matter is human nature. We must evolve further.

streets76

"And no religion, too." -- J. Lennon

"Yes, indeed, you gotta serve somebody." -- B. Dylan

"Jesus is just alright, oh yeah!" -- D. Brothers

The Finger

It would be worse as long as you have death.

glenster

Dumb things by Lennon

The Beatles were my favorite group, and I bought more of John's solo albums
than the others', so this isn't a hate piece. It's more a mixed reaction, every-
thing considered, to the adulation--that the idea of him as a rare embodiment of
love and how we all ought to get along seems dumb. Some of the things taken
that way only go to show it's easier to talk the talk than to walk the walk.
Some of the unheralded every-people that walk the walk deserve the recognition
more.

He married a woman because he got her pregnant then went off to fiddle with a
bunch of others while making a whole lot of money. (Don't try something like
that at home.) If you're not sure if that's dumb, ask around. The only ones
who like that plan are opposing lawyers. The train to dumbsville is off to a
flying start.

At one point tried out for chairman of national "Let's Make Fun of the Handi-
capped Week." (Apologies to Tom Lehrer.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWLnBxZMDw

He started feeling bad--"I'm a Loser," "Help!," "Nowhere Man," etc.--but in-
stead of improving his diet and exercise regimen he went from Prellies to black
market stuff, to LSD and even heroin and cocaine, supposedly sucking on heroin
Thai sticks even in the last years. He spent his adult life giving money to
organized crime. "If you want money for people with minds that hate, all I can
tell you is brother you'll have to wait" is true--you had to get in line behind
him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Mb7qwa2WM

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He couldn't remember who wrote "In My Life." He thought he wrote it all him-
self and Paul wrote a little guitar line for between the verses. Whatever, it
was important to him to have us think he wrote a song that basically means "If
I love you, I love you forever."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_My_Life#Composition

Then he dumped his wife and kid, bi**hed about paying her alimony though she
raised the kid, he didn't, made out like she won the pools and didn't deserve it
so she didn't get an amount commensurate with his income, and only saw the kid
about once a year. I don't just see Dr.Phil opening up a can of whoop ass on
him, I see him throwing it at him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Lennon#Divorce

Then, supposedly at his most raw and honest, put out the first single for his
first album of music after the breakup of the group: "Mother," about how sensi-
tive he was that parents neglect their kids (?!).

Then John "I just believe in...reality" Lennon went on the Cavett Show and
lied that he was seeing Julian once a week. "Gimme Some Truth": I think it was
just another myth except the entertainment wasn't as good.

Even at the end, when he was supposed to be settling into loving family out-
looks, he was saying Julian wasn't as much a real son to him as Sean because Ju-
lian was the result of a Saturday night special and a bottle of beer. Spoken
like a true retro dead beat Dad. A little bambino's not supposed to hear that,
and Mr."live as one" isn't supposed to want to say it. If I knew Julian, I'd
tell him to look on the bright side: at least he was conceived on beer, it could
have been cocaine or heroin--he got out before the serious brain damage started,
which looks like it required getting out early....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6eV7ZsghCs

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The other three were replaced by a woman who hit a bongo and screamed and said
it was intricate rhythm stuff and like Schoenberg. John said things that indi-
cated he couldn't understand why some people hated her unless there was some-
thing wrong with them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/304541.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5dOI2MtvbA

Gentleman George Martin was replaced by a guy who "pulled a gun at every woman
he met since stereo." (Bill Maher)
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/entertainment/watch/v1197787nX3PzaAB#

Dumb Imagine things

There are good and bad ways to try to create peace in the world. The best
method is that people shouldn't be 'centric about the different belief and non-
belief choices, about races, nationalities, etc., so as to be unfriendly or
worse about each other. The worst method is like Hitler's plan for harmony--to
want there to be just one of a category--the world would be good if we could
just get rid of everyone different than me--which is 'centric.

Imagine was meant as "virtually the Communist Manifesto" but accepted because
it was "sugar-coated."
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/6595848/imagine

Communist Manifesto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

John specifically meant Chairman Mao's version, a revolution which didn't
advocate separation of church and state or that believers and non-believers
shouldn't be 'centric but persecuted people of faith to create "harmony" the
'centric way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&dat=19800412&id=UJMSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2PYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6340,4734574

John: "I really thought that--that love would save us all, but now I'm wearing
a Chairman Mao badge, so that's where it's at. I'm just beginning to think he's
doing a good job."

Yoko: "He is." ("Lennon Remembers")
http://books.google.com/books?id=LL_M__820rcC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=lennon+
chairman+mao+where+it's+at&source=bl&ots=PYBcNyoD93&sig=HLIm_v5BNxbN87Br6VYL3
tQlt1U&hl=en&ei=E62dS4KrBIGdlge526maBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3
&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false

A propaganda poster of Mao which looks like a cover for the Watchtower is at
the next link.
http://lisawallerrogers.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/chairman-mao-had-dragon-breath/

When you give give such a combination of concerns an ironic twist in the song
lyrics, you have a clever songwriter. When the twist is that the listeners mis-
interpret the song--that a 'centric song is about the world being better if the
world wasn't 'centric--you get dumb listeners. That's not as good.

The PR spin pitted him verses Nixon. But Nixon would have had to have hired
leaders from other countries to come up with as big a death toll as Chairman Mao
with his Great Leap into the Grave. You have to admit, though, the dead are
peaceful, and he sure made for a lot of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

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John made flame war that Linda would be thrown out in two years then he got
thrown out, which was dumb because he was supposed to be doing it loudly with
another woman in a room near Yoko. If it was an open marriage, how do you get
thrown out for that, and if it wasn't an open marriage, what the hell was he
doing, doing it loudly in the next room? So I don't know what happened, but I
know something dumb happened in there somewhere--I know that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-139395/With-hate-The-lost-Lennon-letters-reveal-rift.html

John patched things up with Chuck Berry about "You Can't Catch Me"/"Come To-
gether," then John and Yoko stole "King Kong" ("Uncle Meat," 1969) from Frank
Zappa. (Imagine there's no lawyers.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1cx-Q88cxw
http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Some_Time_In_New_York_City
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Time_in_New_York_City#Side_4

Then, not content to have been the bright nut of the Beatles, it's like he was
going for major crackpot. He was hanging his junk out on the patio, and said he
saw an Ed Wood-type flying saucer with a little red bulb on top.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rujGGM-hp1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovIuiAHhVU4
http://www.uforth.com/John%20Lennon.htm

Near the end, John and Yoko recorded a few songs with Cheap Trick till Yoko
talked John out of it saying they were using him.
http://www.earcandymag.com/blatrick.htm

John was interested in being Christian for a while--a conservative, Evangeli-
cal, faith-healing variety of Christianity. He wrote to Oral Roberts, took Yoko
and Sean to a church, wrote a couple of songs about it, etc.

I can think of some others, but those are the most ironic or funny to me re-
garding the recently renovated Imagine version of John.

streets76

Ad hominem anyone?

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