Please help, I need a list :)

by MisfitMeL 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Fatfreek

    Hi MisFitMel,

    As to a list, I suggest staying away from doctrine interpretations. They are subjective, as in "subject to interpretation", and JW's think their interpretation is always the only one.

    Stick to objective items that you can nail down. From WT pubs it's easy to prove that they are against lies. So use their own pubs to prove that they have lied in the past. Here is a letter which uses their own lies as its basis.

    From WT pubs it's easy to prove that they are against contradictions of teachings. Here is an essay (kind of large to load) that uses WT pubs to illustrate many of their teaching flip-flops. For example, they've taught 6 flip-flops on the resurrection of the Sodomites. That's yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.
    And don't forget the latest generation change teaching. A chart shows that they've taught 10 different positions on this matter. Can they honestly say that the Holy Spirit has directed them through this mess of zig-zags? One of their recent positions even reverts to the same one held some 81 years earlier.

    Len Miller

  • Fatfreek

    Ooops! I should have said 6 different positions, not 10. Sorry about that. Here's a link to that excellent chart.
    I had in mind their 10 different positions on their teaching of the 1,260 years. You'll find that chart toward the end of the following thread.

  • Perry

    Just show her that according to the WT Jesus is NOT her Mediator.

    Here's the quote with a few others that are identical to Catholic doctrines.

  • MisfitMeL

    Thanks everyone for your replies! :)

    @Elsewhere : I'll remember to dedicate my next thread to you

    @poopsiecakes : Thanks for the well wishes!

    @jookbeard : I don't have my CoC with me at the moment and a lot of the stuff that he discusses isn't something that is easily available to ordinary members (especially the older magazines), so if I brought those up, my mum would inevitably ask how did you find those?!

    @worldtraveller : I'm not looking to win the argument and I'm pretty sure I won't, at least not initially. I just know she is going to tackle me about my non-association in a big way and I want some pretty strong points to show her so that I can honestly say 'There's no way my conscience will let me go back to the KH after learning these things'. It'll probably get her off my back for a while.

    @blondie & shamus : Sorry I didn't make myself very clear in the adultery point. Off the top of my head, I remember reading a WT quote or something similar that beastiality and such didn't count towards allowing a woman to divorce her husband? I know it's changed now, but even having such a teaching in past would probably make my mum cringe if she read it!

    @FatFreek & Perry : Thanks for the links!! I shall have a read through them all and I'm sure there will be some pretty good things to remember during my discussion

  • Chalam

    Farkel makes a good point :)

    No good fruit from the WT, just rotten and maggot infested apples riddled with pride, judgement, hate, divorce, child abuse etc.

    Just show her that according to the WT Jesus is NOT her Mediator.

    The Mediator is key, I agree.

    1 Timothy 2:5 (New International Version)

    5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus



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