On the thread "The Probabilty of there being an Intelligent Designer" the poster "Elsewhere" wrote:
Here is my basic reasoning on why I reject ID:
1. People who support ID say they do because of how complex life and the universe are. They say such complexity certainly must have been created by a higher being.
2. I reject this because one is left wondering: Who created the creator?
3. If the universe is so complex that it needs to have been created, then why does the creator not need to be created. The creator is, after all, more complex than the universe itself.
4. I say leave out the extra step of the more complex creator and just leave the less complex universe by itself.
There are several problems with your reasoning. First of all you are probably not consistent. You claim that you "reject ID", however I suspect that you (like other evolutionist) accept ID as a logical and valid explanation for things such as watches, pyramids, cameras, future confirmed SETI signals, etc. Therfore evolutionists are inconsistent when they claim that ID is somehow necessarily illogical.Secondly, you claim that the creator must be "after all, more complex than the universe itself" This assumes that a creator must be a material entitity composed of interdepenant parts. This is not something that the design argument logically requires, nor is it an attribute theologians believe that the God of the Bible posesses. Finally, you are overlooking the very revelant fact that the design argument has always either implicitly or explicitly dealt specifically with items believed to have an origin.- that is: "organized complexity (systems composed of componet parts) that has an origin (like watches, or biological life), is best explained as the result of an intelligent designer, rather than as a result of purley naturalistic processes." There is nothing in such an argument that requires the designer himself to also be composed of organized complexity, nor even to have an origin at all, hence there is nothing in the above design argument that necessarily requires the designer to himself have his own creator.