by jookbeard 19 Replies latest jw friends
one of the great things about this site is being able to debate and argue with Dubs who stumble across this forum with their all guns blazing style but it's been quiet for a while so where are they all;
lgadson
Melita
DubR
the madJW
Schipper
Spike
Son of Man
JanseyHull
we miss you
JookBeard miss`s you..
I`m greatfull for the break in mindless posts..
..................... ...OUTLAW
I know but it's nice sometimes for the rare time we get one on here, who shows some balance and respect and can have sensible dialogue with
I believe many are hanging out on Topix........where they can name call, change or evade the subject and use circular or straw agruments while surrounded by like-minded studies, DFd but believing or otherwise non participating JW who really don't care a wit about facts.
There haven't been any decent JW apologists since Greg Stafford used to debate us, and he got thrashed. That was over 10 years ago.
They don't stand a chance and the ones that might be worthy of debate know it.
Farkel
Hello. As the newly dubbed Kool-Aid Man II, I can't help noticing that you refer to some of Jehovah's Witnesses as "apologists". Certainly, the implications of such a term are unbecoming. Jehovah's Witnesses have nothing to apologize for, as they "cannot stop speaking about the things they have heard." Those who choose to separate themselves from Jehovah's organization and then develop a satanic, critical attitude towards the very source of all spiritual nourishment "bring speedy destruction upon themselves." Is it not wiser to avoid feeding on poisonous apostate material and feed only at Jehovah's bounteous spiritual table? All others who have called themselves Christian have notoriously failed to follow the Christ and refuse to preach the good news about Jehovah's Kingdom. Only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing that.
No doubt, realizing the futility of debating with those who have no love of truth or of God, Jehovah's Witnesses carefully avoid apostate web sites and literature as they would pornography. So, in answer to your question, Jehovah's Witnesses have gone to where the need is greater, seeking out honest-hearted ones who genuinely desire to know the truth rather than oppose it.
Kool-Aid Man II
only JW's with hold vital life saving medical aid to young babies and children watching them die before their very eyes, your right in that JW's only do that, very Christlike don't you think?, protecting paedophiles amongst their ranks as well, elders who rape babies, seems to be unique to them as well, and condoning the homosexual activities of 2 of their own Governing Body for decades, is a pattern emerging, a nice little romance with the UN ?
Jehovah's Witnesses do not withhold life-saving medical aid from their children. They merely wish to obey the Biblical command: "Abstain from blood." (Acts 15:28, 29) Given that their God-given hope of a resurrection is stronger than their desire to preserve a temporary life in this system of things, why disobey Jehovah's clear direction for the sake of preserving one's life? Jesus himself said, "Whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will gain it."
Nor do Jehovah's Witnesses condone or protect those who abuse children. Such a horrific crime is never tolerated amongst Jehovah's people. Any who are guilty of such and are unrepentant are disfellowshipped, thus protecting the flock and especially the precious children. Learn From the Great Teacher, one of our Christian publications, provides clear instructions that will help both young children and their parents to protect themselves from any who might seek to abuse them. Children are given detailed advice on what to say and what not to allow adults to do to them.
The Governing Body does not condone immoral behavior. As a whole, it submits to God's direction. Individuals may fall into gross sin and thus have to be disciplined by Jehovah, but surely this is no reason to consider all of pure worship to be tainted. The apostle Peter displayed racism and even denied Jesus three times on the night of his death. The apostle Paul approved of the murder of a faithful Christian. Humans make serious mistakes at times, but this does not justify willfully challenging the channel Jehovah is using today to provide spiritual instruction. (Matt. 24:45-47)
The Watchtower Society made use of the library facilities of the United Nations as it would use any other library facility owned by a governmental authority. Some of its information was restricted, however, not permitted non-NGO entities to make use of it. In order to continue providing informative articles for Jehovah's people and the public, it was, for a time, necessary to attain NGO status. The Governing Body was unaware of any tacit support for the United Nations and certainly terminated the NGO association once it became clear that it might stumble the consciences of some in the Christian congregation. Unlike apostate Christendom, Jehovah's Witnesses sought no political alliance with "the wild beast" of Revelation 13. Rather, they seek to remain 'no part of the world', as Jesus encouraged true Christians to do.
Really, what does such criticism of Jehovah's organization accomplish? Is anyone upbuilt, encouraged to love their brothers or to glorify God? Hardly. All that happens is time wasted in fruitless research and dwelling on negative thoughts--things that Satan would love to entrap Jehovah's people in so that they slow down in their ministry. No organization on earth is perfect. But it is abundantly clear that Jehovah is using his organization to glorify his name throughout the earth. Wise and humble Christians, therefore, trust in it and submit to its direction.
Kool-Aid Man II
sd7 I'll take your word for the errors I have printed, forgive me I have sinned, may Jerhovh strike me down right now, how silly of my to get so muddled up in my thinking, that moving picture of The Awake magazine some years back that showed pictures of young children who had died abstaining from the order to refuse blood must have been one big mistake
You're not talking to SD-7. You're talking to Kool-Aid Man II. Those faithful youths who gave their lives for the sake of obedience to Jehovah's commands are no doubt safely in Jehovah's memory, awaiting a resurrection. In contrast, those who willfully oppose his direction face a "certain expectation of fiery judgment." If you'd like to know what SD-7 thinks...
I think you're absolutely right!!! I just needed to revert to my cult identity because I need to see if it's easy or hard to do. I know reality, and the Borg is not reality. But I wanted to have fun with it and bounce ideas off of people, mostly earn people's ire. Sorry. I know, a stupid thing to do. But remember that there are lots of people who would respond that way and believe 100% of what they're saying. Scary.
SD-7 & Kool-Aid Man II
