ONE MORE TIME!: Yet another climate post.

by villabolo 28 Replies latest social current

  • metatron
    metatron

    And what's the OUTCOME? No one can say. It's speculation. The e-mails specifically lamented a lack of hard understanding as to why a cooling period has suddenly emerged. As Dyson points out, they just don't know.

    And things to worry about? Many skeptics have pointed out the foolishness of climate hysteria - it lacks a sense of priority.

    If you like worrying, you need to be worried about the very real possibility of the whole world collapsing into abject depression in the next few years. The US government may be forced to borrow 30% of its entire economy's value in the next 12 months - more than all the savings in the world.

    I don't see how the world can avoid a major national bankruptcy - take your pick, Greece, England, Spain, Japan and/or even the US are the major contenders. If the US government goes bankrupt, the rest of the world will collapse financially. Democracy will end amidst martial law. Much of the landscape will be ruled by personal firearms. It could be a Dark Age.

    Tell me how nations borrow money to be paid off by a next generation that will never be born. Specifically, birth rates are so low in much of the world that the huge debts being piled up can never be paid off. Japan and Russia are losing net population. A former Federal Reserve governor has said the US is functionally bankrupt already.

    If collapse happens, climate change will not be a problem as industry will shut down and people starve amid bloodshed. Your feared CO2 levels will plunge.

    Climate change is a waste of anxiety. Get worried about national economies.

    metatron

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Get worried about national economies.

    Fortunately we can do both. And we should.

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Metatron:

    And what's the OUTCOME? No one can say. It's speculation. The e-mails specifically lamented a lack of hard understanding as to why a cooling period has suddenly emerged. As Dyson points out, they just don't know.

    villabolo:

    If that scientist actually called the last decade a cooling off period he is confused or wrong. If he was referring to the last couple of years as a cooling off period that may be correct in a temporary sense of the word. "Interlude" would have been a better word. Reality is that we do know what has happened betweeen 1999 and 2009 and we do not have to be rocket scientists to figure it out. Several very hot years one in which 37,000 Europeans died from the effects of a heat wave in 2003. Massive forest fires throughout Europe and the US. Category 5 hurricanes hitting Japan and China as well as the US. Ice shelves the size of Rhode Island breaking off the Antarctic. The shrinking and thinning of the Arctic and on and on. So what if there was a slight cooling off period between 1950 and 1980 which only reversed itself (See Retreat of Glaciers Since 1850 in Wikipedia)? Of course, you actually had in mind the last year or so unless you chuck out the examples I just gave.

    Metatron:

    And things to worry about? Many skeptics have pointed out the foolishness of climate hysteria - it lacks a sense of priority.

    If you like worrying, you need to be worried about the very real possibility of the whole world collapsing into abject depression in the next few years. The US government may be forced to borrow 30% of its entire economy's value in the next 12 months - more than all the savings in the world.

    I don't see how the world can avoid a major national bankruptcy - take your pick, Greece, England, Spain, Japan and/or even the US are the major contenders. If the US government goes bankrupt, the rest of the world will collapse financially. Democracy will end amidst martial law. Much of the landscape will be ruled by personal firearms. It could be a Dark Age.

    Tell me how nations borrow money to be paid off by a next generation that will never be born. Specifically, birth rates are so low in much of the world that the huge debts being piled up can never be paid off. Japan and Russia are losing net population. A former Federal Reserve governor has said the US is functionally bankrupt already.

    If collapse happens, climate change will not be a problem as industry will shut down and people starve amid bloodshed. Your feared CO2 levels will plunge.

    Climate change is a waste of anxiety. Get worried about national economies.

    villabolo:

    I actually agree with you as far as priorities are concerned except for the last line about Climate Change being a waste of anxiety. As a person who recognizes the danger of peak oil which many claim is more imminent than Climate Change I believe that we're going to be hit by a double whammy. However we don't have to perform triage on Climate Change. The solutions for Peak Oil overlaps extensively with the solutions for Climate Change. Both problems require drastic minimization and eventual elimination of petrochemical use.

    &nb

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    For those who are interested:

    www.copenhagendiagnosis.org/download

    villabolo

  • glenster
  • kurtbethel
  • The Almighty Homer
    The Almighty Homer

    I say even if it was all just lose and weak scientific speculation that is causing global warming .....So What !

    Pushing the industrial world community to think and act in a environmentally sensitive way is only going to be for are own benefit in the long run.

    Putting awareness out there into the world's community of keeping the earth's environment clean and sustainable will

    only play out well for future generations. The earth's population is on a constant growing trend especially considering the fact that

    heavily populated countries such as China and India are now getting more modernized with more of their population driving

    fossil fueled burning vehicles as well as many of South American countries. Could you imagine every big city in the US or in Canada

    not stink of air pollution because of most of the cars and trucks are driven by electricity or by other means, to coin a modern youthful term.......SWEET

    Its obvious that its going to be a long way off when you see trains, air planes, heavy transport trucks etc. running on non-pollutant propulsion

    but at least in are generation we can set the technological foundation for that to happen for future generations.

  • glenster
  • Gerard
    Gerard

    villalobo: anecdotes is not data nor science.

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