son came back to me that he doesnt wont do false worship-- so the brainwashing has already taken effect then?
If you have kids and a JW mate ....
by Albert Einstein 16 Replies latest jw friends
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Albert Einstein
Carla: Yes, we are divided at home... Wife tels my son it is evil to celebrate birthdays.... I tell him It is OK .... Son comes to me and says: Well I dont know what is right, you each say something different....
Of course there is some effect of Brainwashing, thats why Iam troubled...
Albert
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carla
Albert, I'm sorry if that sounded harsh I didn't mean it to. But it does appear that the boy is already falling for the party line. After being on the ex jw boards for so many years now I have seen story after story of parents who did not want to rock the boat at home, keep the peace only to lose their child later in life to the borg and the shunning policies. Not only was a childs mind and potential wasted in this cult but a parent lost a child, not to death but in body, mind and spirit. I dunno, I'm a mom so if someone threatens my childs well being you will have fight on your hands. In this case a childs emotional, spiritual, and sometimes physical body is in danger where jw's are involved. If I had to choose my life or my child being raised in this destructive and deadly cult I would give up my life in a minute. Thankfully I did not have to choose. It is possible to find a truce of sorts with a jw mate even an unspoken one but at no time should you trust them not to try to indocrinate them. Give your child a gift, the gift to protect their own mind from all cults. Your son's statement is a warning sign for you in my opinion.
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garyneal
AE:
I really hate the time spent in KHI don't like it either and I agree with Chalam that for me it may be dangerous given that I am a Christian. I guess if I were an agnostic or an atheist I could just dismiss it as just another religion (though one with a cult like mentality). For me, it is a false religion with a cult like mentality that is potentially leading 6 million people to their deaths. The sad thing is they sound so close to Christianity in many ways that I can easily see how that group manages to pull so many Christians away. I thank God for the Internet to do my research (though it is considered Satan's domain by my wife if the information did not come from here).
so son came back to me that he doesnt wont do false worship... I know this will only confuse your son and I can understand why you chose to back off of it and not take him to another church (especially considering you're agnostic). But I tend to ask my wife how my religion is false and hers is the only 'true' one. Their religion has nothing to offer that is any more 'true' than other religions with similar beliefs. They deny the trinity, so do adventists and christadelphians. These two groups also profess soul sleep (where the soul dies with the body) just like the watchtower. These two groups also influenced the witnesses. So how can they make the sole claim to being the 'true' religion?
I knew when I first heard them proclaim that they had the 'truth' and that they were the only group who had it, something wasn't right. If at least one religious groups believes the same as they do, their claim goes down the toilet (The Black Swan). Given that the truth is objective and does not change, if at least one aspect of their teachings changes, their claim goes down the toilet. You can't claim to have the truth if your 'truth' changes, 'present truth' and 'progressive truth' are oxymorons because the truth is timeless. Better to claim that you have a theory on what you beleive is the truth for accepted theories are simply that, beliefs.
Concerning birthdays, I challenged my wife on how birthdays are considered bad but weddings are considered okay.
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OnTheWayOut
I don't have kids, and my wife is already fully into the beliefs of JW's.
BUT many have stopped going to the meetings for their own self, despite a mate's continual attendance. If you can put up with the meetings for family's sake, more power to you but there are some other ways.
Some former believers have stood firm when they realized it is not the truth. Some have done this to be an example to their children. It's tough to let WTS gently persuade your kids, then you gently persuade them to think "That MIGHT not be right." Many parents faced with your dilema have outright told their kids (some in the nicest way) that Mommy or Daddy doesn't believe what is taught at the meetings.
To each his own. I say it is important to let kids be kids, stop missing birthdays and stuff that kids do. Start showing them that they can choose their own path from the earliest point possible. Raising them as weak JW's and encouraging them to do sports and go to college is okay, but the dangerous mind-control cult took so much away from me that I wouldn't let it take stuff away from my kids if I had them.
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whatistruth
parrot if i knew where u live i [edit] beat the [edit] out your head all the [edit] the wt put in it.
edit: violation of posting guideline re insulting, threatening or provoking language.
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Scully
Psychotic Parrot:
I think this is highly dangerous in many ways. You are opening them up to the false WT gospel. Even though you have rejected the lies of the WT, this stuff is gangrene as Paul puts it, and spreads in similar fashion to those who are around it 2 Timothy 2:17
The guy has already stated that he is agnostic lol
Albert might be agnostic already, but his children aren't able to come to that conclusion yet.
By the way, Albert, regarding birthdays (and other celebrations that JWs don't allow, the passage in Romans 14:5-12 was very helpful. It describes the decision of whether to observe one day as special, or to observe all days the same, as being a personal decision - not one dictated by an organzational directive. It also says that each individual is accountable to God. The passage following that goes back to the admonition against judging others on the basis of their personal decisions.