IRAN-Deja vu all over again?

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  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    Iran in the 1970's.

    Too bad that in their greed for Iran's oil, the US CIA and the British took out the democractically elected reformer Mossadegh. In his place they supported the Shah, the Pinochet of the Middle East.

    Too bad the US puppet Shah's torturous regime was so bad that it politically united the moderate, reformer intellectuals and the fundamentalists, because they would do anything to get rid of him. Afterwards, the fundies (always the loudest and most violent of groups whether Christian or Muslim) took power and backed-out of every deal they made with the moderates. a video well worth watching

    Too bad the Bush administration rejected the "Grand Bargain," a peace treaty offer from the Iranians that included peace with Israel and the U.S. Too bad that rejection led to the overthrow of the Iranian reformist government which led to the execution of many of the moderates and the rise of the Iranian fundamentalists...again.

    Yes, too bad the West meddled and f*cked-up everything.

    You're a little light on your history BTS.

  • leavingwt

    A lengthy article by Jeffrey Goldberg.

    The Point of No Return

    . . .I have interviewed roughly 40 current and past Israeli decision makers about a military strike, as well as many American and Arab officials. In most of these interviews, I have asked a simple question: what is the percentage chance that Israel will attack the Iranian nuclear program in the near future? Not everyone would answer this question, but a consensus emerged that there is a better than 50 percent chance that Israel will launch a strike by next July.

    . . .

  • llbh

    I have some friends who are liberal Jews and some Orthodox, and thier opinions on many matters very widely, just as in Islam and Christianity. Netanyahu is widely seen as opportunistic, and not to be trusted.

    I agree with a lot what of you say Justita, and I see no one answered my observations. Successive US governments allowed The Irish to raise money for decades for terrorism, and part of the peace process their was there engagement in the process.


  • BurnTheShips
    You're a little light on your history BTS.

    Right. The Shah sucked. Got it. I'm glad Carter threw him under the bus. Fortunately, the Ayatoilets have been a great improvement.

    Regarding Mossaddeg's removal from power as PM, you can thank the Brits for instigating it.


  • TastingFreedom

    This war is closer than most people think..... BUT IT'S NOT ARMAGEDDON!

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    Brits for instigating it.

    CIA funded it. CIA produced the flyers that were distributed. CIA started the rumors re: Mossaddeg. CIA and Brits BOTH "instigated" it. No, the Ayatollah's have NOT been an improvement. However, it is highly unlikely we would be dealing with them absent the US government's and the Brit's involvement.

    'You reap what you sow' applies to governments AND people.

    agree with a lot what of you say Justita, and I see no one answered my observations. Successive US governments allowed The Irish to raise money for decades for terrorism, and part of the peace process their was there engagement in the process.


    Hello David. I am not understanding. Sorry :( Are you saying the US should be more engaged with Iran?

  • beksbks

    Something like Batista, the Shah?

  • BurnTheShips

    Don't rub salt on other people's wounds.


  • beksbks

    That was not my intention Burn. I think it's damn time America realized that when we meddle, and put in place a puppet "sympathetic to our interests", we get bit in the ass. And far worse, the people of said country suffer to the point of upheaval.

  • freydo

    John Bolton:

    Russia's Loading of Nuke Fuel Into Iran Plant Means Aug. 21 Deadline for Israeli Attack
    Friday, 13 Aug 2010 01:41 PM
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    By: David A. Patten

    "News that Russia will load nuclear fuel rods into an Iranian reactor has touched off a countdown to a point of no return, a deadline by which Israel would have to launch an attack on Iran's Bushehr reactor before it becomes effectively "immune" to any assault, says former Bush administration U.N. Ambassador John R. Bolton. Once the fuel rods are loaded, Bolton told Fox News on Friday afternoon, "it makes it essentially immune from attack by Israel. Because once the rods are in the reactor an attack on the reactor risks spreading radiation in the air, and perhaps into the water of the Persian Gulf."

    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin declared in March that Russia would start the Bushehr reactor this summer. But the announcement from a spokesman for Russia's state atomic agency to Reuters Friday sent international diplomats scrambling to head off a crisis. The story immediately became front-page news in Israel, which has laid precise plans to carry out an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities while going along with President Obama's plans to use international sanctions and diplomatic persuasion to convince Iran's clerics not to go nuclear. Bolton made it clear that it is widely assumed that any Israeli attack on the Bushehr reactor must take place before the reactor is loaded with fuel rods. "If they're going to do it that's the window that they have," Bolton declared. "Otherwise as I said before, once the rods are in the reactor, if you attack the reactor you're going to open it up and radiation will escape at least into the atmosphere and possibly into the waters of the Persian Gulf. "So most people think that neither Israel nor the United States, come to that, would attack the reactor after it's been fueled." Bolton cited the 1981 Israeli attack on Saddam Hussein's Osirak reactor outside Baghdad and the September 2007 Israeli attack on a North Korean reactor being built in Syria. Both of those strikes came before fuel rods were loaded into those reactors. "So if it's going to happen in Bushehr it has to happen before the fuel rods go in," Bolton said.

    The conversation that touched off the de facto deadline for Israeli military action was a telephone conversation with wire services involving Sergei Novikov, a spokesman for Rosatom, the Russian Energy State Nuclear Corp. Novikov said: "The fuel will be loaded on Aug 21. This is the start of the physical launch” of the reactor. "From that moment the Bushehr plant will be officially considered a nuclear-energy installation," Novikov said, adding that the head of Rosatom, Sergei Kiriyenko, will visit Bushehr Aug. 21 to conduct a ceremony for the event. According to Bolton, once the reactor is operational, it is only a matter of time before it begins producing plutonium that could be used in a nuclear weapon.........."

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