The name of the Father is "Jesus".

by Chalam 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    You Wrote:

    "Other than the bible, can anyone show me compelling evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed? I can prove that he didn't, so over to you Christians."

    REPLY: It's not meant to be "proven." By faith you are saved. You might as well ask us to prove the resurrection of the dead.

    JD II

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    So it seems that different translations used different texts to get to their version of John 17:11, is that correct?

    Footnotes mention the NU and the M text as reading "keep them through your name which you have given me".

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    PS: exactly; see my second post on page 1.

    (I have no idea what "NU" and "M" stand for in the Bible you are using; you must have a list of abbreviations somewhere).

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Narkissos,

    The NU and M are from the blueletterbible website.

    This also has shades of John 1:18 where some manuscripts read "Only son", "only begotten son", "only begotten God","only one, who is God", and so forth.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Not to change the topic, but your examples from John 1:18 nicely illustrate how a textual problem combines with an interpretive problem in translation.

    The difference between "Son" and "God" is textual: some mss read theos and others read huios (or nothing).

    The difference between "only" and "only-begotten" is interpretive: the mss agree on monogen├Ęs but the exegetes/translators differ on the exact meaning of the word.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    narkissos,

    Agreed, of course this was probably a moot point for the writers and readers to which these things were addressed.

  • sacolton
    sacolton

    There is only ONE GOD that can be:

    King of Kings

    Lord of Lords

    Savior

    Light

    Rock

    Father

    Alpha

    Omega

    Life

    Truth

    Way

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Sac

    Why do you have "Father" and no Son or Spirit?

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Perhaps already dealt with: But are we really dealing with "name" as in "apellation" rather than "reputation"?

  • sacolton
    sacolton

    Because there is scriptures in both OT and NT that show YHWH and JESUS having all those qualities.

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