Outside of Paul's speculation on Abraham's rationale for being willing to sacrifice his son

gubberningbody

at Ro. 4:17 and 11:17 (and perhaps a few other places), what do we really know about Abraham's rationale?

RubaDub

I don't have my Watchtower CD handy.

But I recall an article explaining that Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son was likely due to the fact that Issac was over 30 years old at the time and still living at home.

Rub a Dub

bluecanary

RubaDub, this could have been solved by Isaac being willing to pioneer.

frankiespeakin

He was a rich merchant, that heard a voice or vision that told him basically god wanted a human sacrifice a thing that gods of that time were accustomed to want from time to time in that region.

He was obedient to that request from god and was ready to go do it at the drop of a hat.

Now to look at such behavior with what we have become culturally used to; such behavior is now frowned upon to the point of it being a capital offence even if one uses the "god told me to do it" defense.

If Abraham is supposed to be a role model,,it not for anyone in a psych ward.

Robdar

Perhaps the Abraham/Isaac story was made up to get the Hebrew tribes to stop ritual child sacrifice?

cameo-d

Gubberning: "at Ro. 4:17 "

"(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) "

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all based on Abraham.

quote: ( Moisés y los Extraterrestres by Tomás Doreste )

"The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as well as the Jews. Thus we see that according to all ancient history the Persians, the Jews, and the Arabians are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...We are told that Terah, the father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the Chaldees or Culdees, to dwell in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had dwelt there, Abraham, or Abram, or Brahma, and his wife Sara or Sarai, or Sara-iswati, left their father's family and came into Canaan. The identity of Abraham and Sara with Brahma and Saraiswati was first pointed out by the Jesuit missionaries."(Vol. I; p. 387.)

cameo-d

Was Abraham willing to sacrifice his son because he thought God would raise him from the dead?

What would make him think this is possible?

Or was Abraham willing to sacrifice his son because a blood sacrifice was demanded and life had little value to these people?

Midget-Sasquatch

Robdar

Thats a sharp observation you've made there. I can't recall where I read it but its an idea a few OT scholars say is likely. There's even the idea that Jephthah's daughter was actually sacrificed in the original version of the tale (rather than just offered to Temple service as the dubs teach it).

cameo-d

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Robdar

Thanks, MS.

Becoming a Jew will definitely change the way you look at scripture.

I really like Judaism because Jews are not bashful to admit some of their more colorful history, including child sacrifice. The reform movement is particularly honest with itself.

Outside of Paul's speculation on Abraham's rationale for being willing to sacrifice his son

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