New book - Any thoughts?

by Jack Burton 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Jack Burton
    Jack Burton

    I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the latest steaming pile of $#@! from the convention this year. My mother in law took the kids to the convention for one day. My 13 year old son showed the book to me. He wanted my thoughts on it. I had to stop reading after about 5 minutes. This new book, " Bearing Thorough Witness, About God's Kingdom", is, In my opinion, the most blatant attempt to explain why the Governing Body is AWESOME!!! They seem to be openly comparing themselves to the apostles.

    It seems to me that the GB is trying to keep as many as possible from leaving.

    Any thoughts?

  • yknot
    yknot

    Well lets pull out some 'fun' phrases from this publication.....

    Peter perceived that Judas, the appostle who had betrayed Jesus, should be replaced. But by whom? Peter said that the new apostle should be one who had followed Jesus throughout His ministry and had witnessed His resurrection (Acts 1:21,22) That was in harmony with Jesus' own promise: "You who have followed me will also yourselves situp uopon the twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matt. 19:28) Jehovah evidently purposed to have 12 apostles who followed Jesus during his earthly ministry form the future "Twelve foundation stones of New Jerusalem.". (pg 18-19)

    Okay boys and girls this EVIDENTLY is starting to feel like a set-up! Any takers on how long until the GB is permanently made up of 12 and replaced quickly when one dies (or dread is infirmed and in a short time of receiving his alleged assencion).

    Next:......................

    The Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is the agency through with that work is accomplished today. (page 23)

    Ahhhh yes not the Watchtower Tract and Bible Society or even the International Bible Student's Association but the CCJW!

    Okay that is all for me now.......

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    They won't put themselves into a position where they have to make an appointment in haste.

    The whole book is 'beating the slaves'.

    While there a lots of examples given for the Apostles preaching in the sanhedrin, all of these example are used to get everyone, including women & children, banging on doors of private homes. Nowhere is this example used to get anyone to preach in a church.

    No surprises there.

    Cheers

    Chris

  • passwordprotected
    passwordprotected

    I'd like more quotes from the book, please!

  • boyzone
    boyzone

    Bearing thorough witness about God's kingdom

    Any chance of a PDF file on this one please Atlantis?

  • Black Sheep
  • oompa
    oompa

    Jehovah evidently purposed to have 12 apostles who followed Jesus during his earthly ministry form the future "Twelve foundation stones of New Jerusalem.". (pg 18-19)

    YKNOT that is priceless......how you read it that far is amazing testimony to your fortitude......

    they associate "followed" (past tense) with "the future"....something that had not happened yet obviously.........nuts....

    however, i have not read this book....are they saying that is why Paul was chosen by god as the twelth apostle, and where is that in the bible?.....by lots cast and praying over them (thus getting god in on the dice "action")......Mathias was picked as the twelth.....was he dfd of that position.......just what was the point of that paragraph YKNOT....was it about Paul being chosen, and if so...what the hell is "jesus earthly ministry from the future???".......how can they "follow jesus during his future earthly ministry"....if he did not come back to earth to be followed in the first century, nor now???

    please do not make me get this book and read it friends!!!.................oompa

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Oh, you would just love it oompa.

    It goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, rehashing the same bulldust in every second paragraph.

    How many ways are there to say the same thing without repeating a sentence?

    Fooooooooooood in due season boys and girls. Come and get it

    Cheers

    Chris

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    It seems they like to use those terms of uncertainty a lot. Which is fine, except they do not allow people to cross-reference anything, and they demand that we believe them as written. If I use a term of uncertainty, I expect that people will probably cross-reference it, and are not very likely to absolutely believe it with absolute certainty. "Probably" means just that--there is a significantly better chance of its being true than not, but not 100%. "Likely" means pretty much the same thing. "Evidently" means that there is evidence in favor of the statement's being true, but it is not proof. "May" or "Could have" means there is a possibility, but not even more than even odds, of its being true.

    However, terms like "Definitely" and "Certainly" mean (or are supposed to mean) just that: such terms mean that the person writing it believes that the statements are absolutely true. Again, if cross-checking is allowed, everyone can be corrected in the matter. But, if they are wrong and cross-referencing is not allowed, everyone is going down.

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    I posted this on another thread, but it didn't get any response so I'll post it here:


    I skimmed through the first four chapters. Here's some of what I found (I'll try and look through the rest later)

    Early on the true purpose is laid out very clear:

    (1) to strengthen our conviction that Jehovah by means of his holy spirit is backing the Kingdom-preaching and disciple-making work, (2) to stimulate our zeal for the ministry by examining the example of first-century followers of Christ and (3) to deepen our respect for Jehovah's organization and for those taking the lead in the preaching work and in overseeing the congregations. -p9
    The aim of the chapters that follow is, not to provide a verse-by-verse discussion of Acts, hut to draw lessons from the events recounted in that Bible book and help us to see how we can make personal applicahon of points learned. -p9

    I found the placement of circular reasoning preceding a boastful claim about credulity entertaining:

    The faith of true Christians today is likewise based on 'many post tive proofs." Is there evidence that Jesus lived on earth, died for our sins, and was raised up? Absolutely! Reliable eyewitness accounts in God's inspired Word provide all the convincing evidence we need. Studying these accounts prayerfully can greatly strengthen our faith. Remember. solid evidence can make the difference between genuine faith and mere credulity. Real faith is essential to gaining everlasting Ilfe.-John 316.

    More exclusive jibberish as usual:

    Today, only those with spiritual discernment realize that Jesus is present in kingly power. (Luke 17:20] We need to dlscern the evidence of his presence and convey it to others so that they too may see the urgency of our times.

    Layering language created by the modern day organization (aka 'Watchtower speak) over top of Biblical stories. This is used to make the two removed experiences (modern JWs and early christianity) seem as though they are the same.

    "Those followers of Christ now faced an important organizational need. and the apostle Peter took the lead in addressing it (Verses 15 26) Is it not comforting to note how far Peter had come in the weeks since he had three times denied his Lord? (Mark 1472) We are all prone to sin, and we need reminders that Jehovah is "good and ready to forgive" those who sincerely repent-Ps. 86:5.

    The episode in Acts regarding cast lots has long been an embarassing text imo. I laughed out loud when reading the Watchtowers new argument. They indirectly address the unsettling aspects of the story (specifically, that Gods servents rely upon games of chance to make important decisions!), and then go on to say this provides an excellent example of how gods organization functions!

    HOW was the selection made? By casting lots, a common practice in Bible times. (Prov. 16:33) However, this is the last time that the Bible shows lots being used in this way.Evidently, the later outpouring of holy spirit rendered that method obsolete. Note, though, why lots were used. The apostles prayed: "You, 0 Jehovah. who know the hearts of all, designate which one of these two men you have chosen." (Acts 1:23,24) They wanted the choice to be Jehovah's. Matthias, likely one of the 70 disciples whom Jesus had sent out to preach, was chosen. Thus, Matthias became one of "the twelve."*--Acts 6:2.
    This incident reminds us of the importance of organization among God's people. To this day, responsible men are selected to serve as over- seers in the congregation. The elders carefully consider the Scriptural quatifications required of such averseers, and they pray for the guidance of holy spirit The congregation thus views such men as appointed by holy spirit For our part we remain submissive and obedient to their lead promoting a cooperative spirit in the congregation.-Heb. 13:17.

    The Watchtower has long considered there to be a "break" in the history of "true christiantiy". Here they almost seem to be claiming that the Chrisitan congregation has been growing ever since 33 C.E. It's also another example of the "layering" I mentioned eairler:

    *The Christian congregabon began with about 120 disciples who were "all together at the same place"-an upper room-and who were nanointed with holy spirit. [Acts 2:l) By the end of that day, baptized members of that congregation numbered into the thousands. And that was just the beginning of the growth of an organization that continues to expand today! Yes, a community of God-fearing men and women-the modern-day Christian congregation-is the means by which the "good news of the kingdom" is being "preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nabons" before the end of this system of things. -Matt. 24: 14.

    Remember, you're never suppose to take credit for anything you do, just in case you were thinking about it:

    The apostles were modest men. They did not take credit for the miraculous deed they had performed. Peter said to the crowd: "Why are you gazing at us as though by personal power or godly devotion we have made him walk?" (Acts 3:12) Peter and the other apostles knew that any good they accomplished in their ministry was due to God's power, not their own. As a result, they modestly directed all praise for their achievements to Jehovah and Jesus.

    I found this statment curious:

    The court ordered the apostles to stop preaching. In that society, the court's orders carried much weight.

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