marriage vows...

by lurk3r 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • lurk3r

    I had a bit of a chin-wag with a freind of mine the other day. We were talking about the questions that "nobody knows" and as Witnesses, you can never get an answer for. She came up with one I never thought about before so I thought I would share it here.

    To a dub, there is no god other than Jehovah. The name "God" even falls short. To pray to "God", isn't enough as there are many false gods out there.Why does it count if your married, by law, by someone who doesn't recognize the name? A couple elopes, gets married by a "worldly" individual, or priest and swears it before god...but it's a different god by Witness reasoning. Yet that marriage, within the organization, it was to Jehovah...even though it wasn't. Or was it? Is "Ceasar" trumping the wtbs here?


  • rockmehardplace

    Actually, the couple can enter a marriage arrangement from a biblical perspective without a formalized ceremony. However, in obeying Ceasar's law, a marriage is not validated until the law obligation is met. Since they must register and be married by a state ordained minister to recognize the marriage and fulfill the law requirement, only then is it considered a marriage. Therefore, the couple is not viewed married until this is done. So I guess my point is, there needs not be any ceremony to recognize the marriage before God, but to continue obeying Ceasar, you must comply before sharing a mattress.

  • BluesBrother

    2 principles that even J W's accept :

    1] You must keep your promises (vows)

    2] An arrangement by "Caesars law" is binding

    I thought perhaps you were going to question why the J W wedding vow contains the release clause " or until the Divine termination of the Marriage arrangement"

    I do not know any basis for that ....?

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    I've never heard of "divine termination." I guess that would mean "'Til death do us part."

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    I know what you mean. Their god isn't the JWs god. I guess you'd be getting married by Satan, then. Hahahaha!

  • GoddessRachel

    I think this is a relatively reasonable thought and question to have; my grandma (not a JW) asked me one time how my parents wedding was viewed by the relion as being legitimate, or did they have to get remarried when they converted?

    So other people have thought this was a strange discrepancy too.

  • GoddessRachel

    Oops I misspelled religion but I think you get the point (how do you edit a post?)

    White Dove, I never heard that divine termination verbiage either. Did some Witness weddings say that!? That seems a little creepy...

  • mindmelda

    I got married in a court house by a judge, because I was marrying an unbaptized associate. LOL We had no mention of God or religion in the ceremony.

    Purely civil.

    I've been to some wacky Witness weddings, let me tell you. The ones where they make up their own vows can be real knee slappers. I used to have to bite my hand to keep a straight face at some of the bad poetry that was spouted on those occasions. Occasionally, you would encounter a little talent, but I guess the one that takes the cake form me was the sister who fancied herself a diva and sang her vows. Off key and ear splittingly loud, just like she sang the Kingdom songs every meeting.

    Lord help us all. I cried, but it was from the pain in my ears.

  • GoddessRachel

    mindmelda, that is just funny. I did not know you were allowed to write your own vows at a JW wedding. I thought you had to say all that stuff about how the wife respects the husband and the husband does not have to say that and whatever the crap else...? And what about the part where it is a threefold cord - if you do not say that then does it count as a JW wedding?

  • blondie


    *** w52 8/1 pp. 478-479 Questions From Readers ***

    Questions From Readers

    ? The June 15 Watchtower on "The Marriage Ceremony", arranges for the man getting married to repeat after the minister that he will love and cherish his wife "for as long as we both shall live or until the divine termination of the marital arrangement". What is meant by the words "until the divine termination of the marital arrangement"?—L. K., New York.

    Some have speculated on that phrase, saying that it means until the marriage is Scripturally terminated by a divorce on the grounds of adultery. But no such unhappy conclusion of the marriage would be envisioned at the happy time of the marriage ceremony. That is not a termination initiated by God, but is a tragic one brought about by the uncleanness of the adulterous one. Others have interpreted the expression to mean when an anointed mate of one of the earthly class is finally taken to heaven to reign with Christ. The physical death of the anointed partner terminates such marriage. So that is not the thought intended. Nor should it be taken, as still others have taken it, to definitely mean that the marriage will end when the divine mandate to fill the earth will have been accomplished.

    The expression is used merely to cover a possibility, to allow for any future termination that may come about through the divine providence. When the mandate to fill the earth is fulfilled, when childbearing ceases, the marriage partners may continue their association together as life companions, or they may not, depending upon the divine will at that future, distant time. We cannot say at this time what divine providence will arrange in the distant future in the new world. So this expression merely allows for some future action on the part of God that may terminate the marital arrangement, but it does not mean that such a divine termination will actually take place. We leave that entirely with the Lord for his future action, and the expression is included to show that if such future action is ever taken then all couples will gladly comply with the divine will as it is revealed at that distant time.




    Binding and abyssing the Serpent, the Devil, is what is meant by crushing the serpent’s head. In Eden God said to Satan: "I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed; he shall crush your head, and you shall lie in wait for his heel." (Gen. 3:15, Cath.Confrat.) The wicked angels or demons are a part of the Serpent’s seed; they are the invisible, spiritual part. Since the Seed of God’s woman, namely, Christ Jesus, restrains the Serpent’s seed together with the Serpent, then the restraining of the wicked demons apparently means their being abyssed with the Devil. All along it was and is the abyss that the demons have feared. When Jesus was on earth he ordered the demons out of persons they had possessed, and on one occasion the demons showed that they looked forward to being abyssed and sought to postpone it, for the record reads: "They kept entreating him not to order them to go away into the abyss."—Luke 8:31,


    It is true that the twentieth chapter of Revelation does not specifically mention the demons when it speaks of Satan’s abyssing and ultimate return for a little while. But inasmuch as Revelation 12:9 shows that Satan’s angels are ousted from heaven and hurled down to earth with him, it is logical to believe that when the tribulation started against him then is resumed at Armageddon, after this in-between period of preaching is over, and his fall is resumed and completed at that battle of God Almighty, landing him in the abyss, the demons will go along with him. They started the fall with him and will logically finish it with him. We know for a certainty that they will not be allowed to remain in their present location and condition throughout the thousand-year reign, to interfere with the accomplishment of the divine purposes destined for that period. So when Revelation 20:3 speaks of Satan’s being seized and hurled into the abyss so that he might not mislead the nations anymore, we may assume that his angels are bound along with him so that they cannot mislead either. Only Satan is mentioned because he is the chief one, and it is to be understood that his demon hordes share his fate.

    Since with this view of matters it is not necessary to specifically name the demons as going into the abyss with Satan, neither is it necessary to definitely mention them as being loosed with him at the end of the thousand years. (Rev. 20:7) Just as mention of the chief one, Satan, is sufficient and includes his invisible organization under him when the record speaks of the descent into the abyss, so mention of Satan alone is sufficient and includes the demons when it speaks of the short release from the abyss. Satan will have the assistance of his demons in applying the final test at the end of the thousand years.—See TheWatchtower, January 15, 1949, pages 21, 26, 27.

    Notice that Revelation 20:10 states that finally the Devil is hurled into "the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were". The "wild beast" and the "false prophet" refer to the visible organization of Satan that is destroyed at Armageddon. But no mention is made as to his invisible organization’s being there. The invisible part, the demons, is worse, and if the visible is accounted for then surely the invisible would be noted as being there, if it is. But since this most important part of Satan’s organization is not spoken of as being in this place of lasting destruction along with the wild beast and false prophet, we have additional grounds for believing that the demons under Satan are with him when he is hurled into the everlasting destruction symbolized by "the lake of fire and sulphur".

    When two armies under opposing generals engage in battle, we give the outcome by saying this general won and that general was defeated, mentioning only the generals by name. But it is understood that with each general is his army. So it is in Revelation 20:3, 7, 10. When those verses speak of Satan’s plunge into the abyss, his release from it, and his drop into the fiery lake symbolizing destruction, his demons under him are to be understood as undergoing these experiences with him.

    *** w52 6/15 p. 363 The Marriage Ceremony ***The minister will then say to the man, using his Christian or given name:

    "Do you, ________, in the presence of Jehovah God and these witnesses, take ________ to be your wedded wife, to love and to cherish, in accordance with the divine law as outlined in the Holy Scriptures for Christian husbands, for as long as you both may live?"

    The man should then answer: "I do."

    The minister will then say to the woman, using her Christian name:

    "Do you, ________, in the presence of Jehovah God and these witnesses, take ________ to be your wedded husband, to love and to cherish and deeply respect, in accordance with the divine law as outlined in the Holy Scriptures for Christian wives for as long as you both may live?"

    The woman should answer: "I do."

    [If arrangements are to give the woman in marriage by her father or someone else, the minister will say: "Who gives this woman to be married to this man?" The father or whoever gives her in marriage will say: "I do." Then he will withdraw and take his seat in the audience. If no arrangements are made to give the woman in marriage, this can be dispensed with.]

    The minister will then ask the man to repeat after him:

    "I, ________, take you, ________, to be my wedded wife, to love and to cherish in accordance with the divine law as set forth in the Holy Scriptures for Christian husbands, for as long as we both shall live or until the divine termination of the marital arrangement."

    Then the minister will ask the woman to repeat after him:

    "I, ________, take you, ________, to be my wedded husband, to love and to cherish and deeply respect, in accordance with the divine law as set forth in the Holy Scriptures for Christian wives, for as long as we both shall live or until the divine termination of the marital arrangement."

    If a ring ceremony is desired, at this point the man may place the ring on the third finger of the woman’s left hand. In case of a double ring ceremony, the woman shall place the ring on the third finger of the man’s left hand. If he desires, the minister may remark in connection with this ceremony: "This ring [or rings] is an outward and visible sign signifying unto all the uniting of this man and this woman in the bonds of matrimony."

    The minister will then say: "Forasmuch as [man’s name] and [woman’s name] have covenanted before Jehovah God and these witnesses to accept each other in wedlock, I, as an ordained minister and by the authority conferred upon me by the Holy Scriptures and the State (Province) of ________, pronounce that they are husband and wife together. What God has yoked together, let no man put apart."

    The minister will then conclude with an appropriate prayer, asking Jehovah’s blessing and direction upon the union to his glory and praise and to the eternal good of those who were married.

    You wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, . . . You husbands, continue dwelling in like manner with them according to knowledge, assigning them honor as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one, since you are also heirs with them of the undeserved favor of life, in order for your prayers not to be hindered.—1 Pet. 3:1, 7,


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