by verystupid77 18 Replies latest jw friends
I have a question. Why dose it take two witnesses if a child says someone molested them.
But with oral sex it only takes the one spouse to get the other mate in trouble. Why the difference. It just seems like they are so obsessed with oral sex but pedophiles Oh Well we need two wittnesses for that. Then they drag the poor child into the meeting and confront the molester before they even call the police. Why the difference in how they handle oral sex and pedophiles?
Another question on this, with the 'oral sex ban', is it in any of the pubs, is it regional in its adminstration.......what is the basis for this?
Why the difference in how they handle oral sex and pedophiles?
In the one case they want the problem to go away. In the other they want to control behavior.
A subtle, but important difference.
Chris
In the one case they want the problem to go away. In the other they want to control behavior.
You said a lot with a few words.
I would also say that the GB have no natural affection or consideration for children.
yeh good point..
Is oral sex counted as a serious sin?
maybe in because abusing children is a worse sin they need more grounds for evidence. (weird kind of sick logic)
while oral sex is viewed as unclean conduct... Plus most people accused of oral sex generally admit to it?
Surely it takes two to tango, or do they still discipline you if you "ask" for it / give it.
Is it better to give or recieve? hmm
btt
Is oral sex counted as a serious sin?
Yes, or at least it did 20 years ago when I was a Witness. It was considered pornea (is that the right word, I've tried really hard to forget that nonsense), and it was equated to a homosexual act. Of course since gays kiss, and kissing is okay, I never understood the logic of that connection. Either way you had to grovel or be DF'd.
maybe in because abusing children is a worse sin they need more grounds for evidence
No. The "logic" is based around the Mosaic Law with regards to settling a dispute (a dispute!) and something Paul said about needing "two witnesses to establish a matter".
So child abuse is equated with a dispute, whereby the child is automatically assumed to be lying (and we know how Jehovah feels about liars). The only way for the child to be innocent of lying is for the offender to confess OR for there to have been 2 eyewitnesses, preferably 2 Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing. These 2 eyewitnesses must stand and watch the child being raped without interference, because if they interfered there would be no child abuse now would there, and then they must wait for Jehovah's spirit to move the elders to contact them because if they reported the matter to the elders that would (1) be running ahead of Jehovah; and (2) potentially bring reproach on Jehovah's name because the child may want to keep the matter private (in other words be shamed into silence).
This was what the circuit overseer in Texas District No. 13 told me in 1989 and was backed up by the district overseer. I used to have a printout of the Flock book bookmarked to where specific instructions are given to elders about procedure regarding child abuse. If memory serves, the official procedure is not quite so arduous, BUT the elders are permitted to ignore testimony given by worldly people and/or children as they see fit irregardless of what they saw and testified to the elders.
In my case, I WAS able to produce 2 eyewitnesses but they were rejected because (1) they witnessed separate rapes; and (2) they were worldly and we all know how worldly people lie.
As far as I know one of my rapists is still a ministerial servant in good standing. The other 3 are dead.
Plus most people accused of oral sex generally admit to it?
I never did. I saw nothing wrong with it then, and I don't now. And I damn sure wasn't going to tell some nosy horny old goat of an elder what does or doesn't happen in my bedroom!
I am so sorry Big Tex when you said
In my case, I WAS able to produce 2 eyewitnesses but they were rejected because (1) they witnessed separate rapes; and (2) they were worldly and we all know how worldly people lie.
As far as I know one of my rapists is still a ministerial servant in good standing. The other 3 are dead.
I am going through about the same thing right now in my hall. It is a living nightmare. I am just in shock at how the elders are handing this. I even wrote them letters because they refuse to talk with me and I just got two sent back return to sender. The elders totally refuse to see any problem. I have been called a lier to my face. How can they say that to me? One elder told me that the pedophile would never lie to an elder then he turned right around and called me a liar.
I was told by one elder that pedophiles can and will hold children as long as they are helping the moms. He told me that I was a gossip and was causing divisions in the hall by letting parents know. No one can know who a pedophile is. It truly makes me bitter. vs77
This tears out my heart.
Very 77,
I hope you are able to do something legally about your situation.
