Alan Greenspan supports the 1914 doctrine!

by slimboyfat 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    You would think that man has caused enough trouble what with wrecking global capitalism and all. And now he supports 1914?

    I am only joking of course Greenspan probably knows little about the JW view of 1914 and cares less, but a box in the March study WT quotes his new book The Age of Turbulence in support of their 1914 chronology. Here is the extract as it is presented in the Watchtower:

    The Age of Turbulence Began

    The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World is the title of a 2007 book by Alan Greenspan. For almost 20 years, he was chairman of the United States Federal Reserve Board, which oversees that nation’s entire central banking system. Greenspan highlights the marked contrast between the world situation before 1914 and what followed:

    “By all contemporaneous accounts, the world prior to 1914 seemed to be moving irreversibly toward higher levels of civility and civilization; human society seemed perfectible. The nineteenth century had brought and end to the wretched slave trade. Dehumanizing violence seemed on the decline. ... The pace of global invention had advanced throughout the nineteenth century, bringing railroads, the telephone, the electric light, cinema, the motor car, and household conveniences too numerous to mention. Medical science, improved nutrition, and the mass distribution of potable water had elevated life expectancy … The sense of the irreversibility of such progress was universal.”

    But … “World War I was more devastating to civility than the physically far more destructive World War II: the earlier conflict destroyed an idea. I cannot erase the thought of those pre-World War I years, when the future of mankind appeared unencumbered and without limit. Today our outlook is starkly different from a century ago but perhaps a bit more consonant with reality. Will terror, global warming, or resurgent populism do to the current era of life-advancing globalization what World War I did to the previous one? No one can be confident of the answer.”

    Greenspan recalled from his student days a statement by Economics Professor Benjamin M. Anderson (1886-1949): “Those who have an adult’s recollection and an adult’s understanding of the world which preceded World War I look back upon it with a great nostalgia. There was a sense of security then which has never since existed.” – Economics and the Public Welfare.

    A similar conclusion is reached in the volume A World Undone, by G. J. Meyer, published in 2006. We read: “Historic events are often said to have ‘changed everything’. In the case of the Great War [1914-1918] this is, for once, true. The war really did change everything: not just borders, not just governments and the fate of nations, but the way people have seen the world and themselves ever since. It became a kind of hole in time, leaving the postwar world permanently disconnected from everything that had come before.”

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    i think we all tend to look back to our early years with nostalgia as we get older. His early years just happened to be before 1914.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    i think we all tend to look back to our early years with nostalgia as we get older. His early years just happened to be before 1914.

    Lol! He's not that old!

    Many do agree 1914 was a significant turning point, just not for the reasons JWs give.

  • sir82
    sir82
    Many do agree 1914 was a significant turning point

    That's just it...it was A turning point, not the THE turning point.

    You could easily pick a dozen other significant years that affected world history on a similar scale: 1789, 1815, 1492, 1776, etc.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    My reading is that 1914 was a more significant turning point that the other dates you mentioned. It marked the end of the first age of globalization. But hold on to your hat 2009 may bring an end to the last half-century of globalization in even more dramatic fashion than 1914 did.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    How long before this is quoted in a WT publication?

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    See the March study WT. That's kind of the point of the thread, it has been quoted in the WT.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    I read his quote somewhat differently than the message the WTS wants to project.

    Will terror, global warming, or resurgent populism do to the current era of life-advancing globalization what World War I did to the previous one? No one can be confident of the answer.”

    Here Greenspan is saying that we have moved into a new era - the next generation. 1914 shaped the last generation, global warming is shaping the next generation. The end did not come within the generation of 1914.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    You have a point jwfacts.

    I have not yet read Greenspan's book (I intend to) but it does seem from the synopsis that the WT is fundamentally misrepresenting Greenspan if their implication is that he is saying 'The Age of Turbulence' began in 1914. He does not seem to be saying that at all. He appears rather to be describing the post 9/11 world as The Age of Turbulence and drawing upon 1914 for comparison and historical background. Whether this was lost on the WT writer who was blinded by his eagerness for a good 1914 quote or a case of outright deception who knows.

    If the whole period from 1914 is to be viewed as one long 'Age of Turbulence' then it has to be admitted that 1945 to the present was a remarkably calm, peaceful and prosperous sort of 'turbulent age' for much of the developed world, the non-materialised threat of the Cold War notwithstanding.

  • I quit!
    I quit!

    "I am only joking of course Greenspan probably knows little about the JW view of 1914 and cares less," I don't know, maybe he does believe the Watchtower teachings on 1914 after all he did believe in the "trickle down theory". All kidding aside it is fairly common for the WT to quote someone out of context to further one of there bizarre beliefs.

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