Are we entering a new era?

by BurnTheShips 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    19 December 2008

    Situation report: global economy, December 2008
    Filed under: Post-WWII era, end of — Tags: financial crisis, napoleon, peak oil, transition, treaty of paris, WWI, WWII — Fabius Maximus @ 5:00 am

    This is a situation report on the global economy. Speculation, attempting to find order from the confusing and rapidly-changing datastream.

    1. The roots of this crisis lie in the cumulative decisions of us all — collectively — over the past 3 decades.
    2. The problem grew to become major problem as a result of regulatory decisions made over the past decade or so.
    3. We passed the last exit during the 2001 recession, with the government’s decision to supercharge credit expansion instead of allowing a natural recession to rebalance the economy (as Volker did in 1980-82).
    4. The financial crisis ignited in December 2006 with the collapse of the mortgage brokers.
    5. It became a conflagration as a result of the governments ad hoc response, incremental steps taken into the void without a plan.
    6. The financial crisis hit the real world in Fall 2008, a cardiac arrest of global economic activity.
    7. So far ”Main Street” has experienced only the fore-quakes, the tremors before the main event.
    8. I suspect it will hit during the next few months.

    The defining characteristic of this downturn is the unexpected breaking of links in the economic machinery. Home prices crash far beyond anything seen since the 1903’s. Major finanical institutions crash. Astonishing floods of government money poured onto the fire. Perhaps this slowed the crash, perhaps it had no effect. Every step of the way brought new surprises.

    Many Americans (most?) are still in denial, believing this will be a recession like the others since WWII. Like children on the beach looking out to sea. “Oh, wow — look at the big wave!”

    What’s next?

    Viewpoints about the crisis have coalesced into three camps.

    1. The “normal global recession” camp. Just another cycle, US GDP down perhaps -3% peak to trough.
    2. The “worst recession since the 1930’s” camp. A bad scene, but the world’s governments are now on the job. Fiscal and monetary policy will do the job, again. US GDP down 5% or so. See this example.
    3. The “worse than worst” scenario. Government policy might not work — or it might work but only with long lags. Uncertainty rules; the outcome is unknowable.

    Those in the first two camps believe that the worst of the crisis has passed in that its course now runs in familiar channels. The small minority in the third camp believes that the world has changed. The post-WWII is ending.

    What to watch

    China. The world will muddle through if China manages to grow its GDP at 4 - 5% in 2009 - 2010, with global gdp perhaps in the -1% to 1% range (roughly). If China goes to zero growth — or negative — then the game changes. Everyone must return to the blackboard to prepare new forecasts. Forecasts for a deeper and longer downturn.

    What is happening in China right now? Opinions vary widely. Everything is fine. It’s on the verge of imploding. The best answer IMO is that we do not know.

    The big picture

    The ancien regime lasted a hundred years, from the Treaty of Paris in 1815 ending the Napoleonic Wars to the outbreak of WWI in August 1914. A hundred years of prosperity and peace (more or less) for much of the world.

    All that died in August 1914. The transitional period was difficult. Thirty years of megadeaths and economic collapse, with an intermission.

    The new world brought another period of peace and prosperity, perhaps the greatest 5 decades the world has ever seen. Now the two superpowers of that era both have uncertain futures. The world sinks into a severe recession. Beyond that new challenges await.

    1. Peak Oil
    2. Climate change
    3. The shift of power from west to east
    4. The second demographic transition, aging populations and perhaps extinction for some major cultures.

    Perhaps the new world will be even better than we can dream. It’s up to us.

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    China is the new superpower! I for one would like to welcome our Communist overlords......I could be a useful slave to help them conquer the west!

  • eyeslice
    eyeslice

    The economy will recover. People's appetite for new cars, new computers and the fineries of life will mean that as a society we will never regress to the rather modest expectations that parents and grandparents had. People may hold off buying new stuff for a while but as soon as the money market frees up, they will want to start spending again.

    Longer term I agree that the problems of

    Peak Oil (yes oil may have dropped to $40 a barrel but will shoot back up as soon as the economy starts to pick - as will house prices)

    Climate change

    The shift of power from west to east

    The second demographic transition, aging populations and perhaps extinction for some major cultures.

    are the real challenges that we will face in years to come

  • yknot
    yknot

    We are moving toward a more 'union- alliance' era....

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    China is the new superpower! I for one would like to welcome our Communist overlords......I could be a useful slave to help them conquer the west!

    They don't need you. Abortion has created a Chinese society where millions of men can never find a woman (girls were aborted far more). They need your women. Incidentally, an army of millions of sexually frustrated young men would probably be unstoppable. Now back to the sugar caves, prole. BTS

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    They can have our women if the "little fella's" can handle them.....they can give me their takeaway food!

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    They can have our women if the "little fella's" can handle them

    I've been out to bars with eastern guys tagging along. They don't have a clue what to do with our women.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    They don't have a clue what to do with our women.

    I don't think much of a clue is needed anymore. I was at a bar on Thursday last, and a milfy blonde pulled up her shirt so I could admire her bared lovelies--which she was justifiably proud of I might add--and this despite the fact that she had entered the locale escorted by a biker dude and another gal. All I had done was give her a smile. My single friend decided amble over to her table to ply her with a few rounds of Jagermeister but her girlfriend subsequently performed her cockblocking duties.

    BTS

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    "Mars Needs Women", eh?

    I think, and what do I know, that we're still too early in this recession to know where we're headed. Clearly it's unlike, so far, other recessions we've experienced (with the possible exception of the early 80's).

    Stupid question -- why does China's economy impact the global recession to the extent this article claims? Is it because they hold so much of the U.S. national debt?



  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Clearly it's unlike, so far, other recessions we've experienced

    Every recession is unique.

    Stupid question -- why does China's economy impact the global recession to the extent this article claims?

    China has been the main engine of global growth for several years now. New demand. If it sputters, the global effects would likely be very large.

    Nobody knows what's coming.

    BTS

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