Blood Quotes in Jan 2009 Awake

by Gladring 19 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Gladring
    Gladring

    The Awake Jan 2009 has a quote in it's Watching the World

    "For almost 9000 patients who had heart surgery in the [United Kingdom] between 1996 and 2003, receiving a red cell transfusion was associated with three times the risk of dying in the following year and an almost sixfold risk of dying within 30 days of surgery compared with not receiving one. " - NEW SCIENTIST, BRITAIN.

    For starters, this quote is not exactly straight from New Scientist. New Scientist is quoting (Circulation, vol 116, p 2544). Not quite the same as New Scientist making this authoritative statement or conclusion. Google "(Circulation, vol 116, p 2544)" and you will find that the very first line of the study says - "Background-: Red blood cell transfusion can both benefit and harm. To inform decisions about transfusion, we aimed to quantify associations of transfusion with clinical outcomes and cost in patients having cardiac surgery." [italics mine]

    The New Scientist article also states - "But people should not stop donating blood, stress experts. "Transfusion is critical in several situations such as severe haemorrhage. We also need blood for essential products such as antibodies and clotting factors for people with haemophilia," says Isbister."

    This does seem to be a tactic used by the WTS to reinforce JWs ideas about blood being harmful. Using quotes in the Awake! while giving little comment is quite sneaky IMO. See my previous post on a similar item here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/160077/1.ashx My formatting has improved since :)

    An amusing turn on this Watching the World snippet is that first I googled "new scientist red cell sixfold" and found this thread on a forum called TalkRational: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=4263 The comments from some on there are interesting but as this thread is dated July 08 I can't help but wonder if the guy that called on his door is the Awake! correspondent for Britain !

    The general gist of the New Scientist article is that this is an area which the medical field needs to do more research in. Also it is talking specifically about heart surgery and not severe hemorrhage. As two of the posters on the talkrational thread say:

    The important blood use is for (a) severe hemorrhage- they bring you in from a car crash almost exsanguinated, you need blood volume, stat - and (b) blood products like platelets for hemophiliacs. The article is just saying that it's not worth going to transfusion for minor blood loss. The JWs would have you stand by and let someone actually bleed to death rather than give a transfusion. I got the same jist from that article that SAWells did. If anything, this just reinforces that blood transfusions should only be used really when absolutely necessary, not when you're say a pint low or so.

    On a side note, it seems that the medical community seem to be quite happy to let JWs be guinea pigs for research on bloodless surgery. Getting people to participate in a potentially lethal study in not taking blood could be ethically dodgy. Where else are you going to get candidates for "60 or 70 randomised clinical trials" right now?

    The whole article can be found at the link below.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826533.500-blood-transfusions-found-to-harm-some-patients.html

    and just in case the link breaks in future here it is in cut and paste:

    Blood transfusions found to harm some patients

    "For the life of the flesh is in the blood. No soul of you shall eat blood." So says the Bible's book of Leviticus, and it is for this reason that Jehovah's Witnesses shun blood transfusions. They do not, however, shun surgery. As long as surgeons use special techniques, Jehovah's Witnesses can have surgery - including operations with the greatest potential for blood loss, such as open-heart surgery - without ever receiving a drop of someone else's blood.

    Now some surgeons and anaesthetists are questioning whether every patient shouldn't get the same treatment. Over the past decade a number of studies have found that, far from saving lives, blood transfusions can actually harm many patients.

    The problem is not the much-publicised risk of blood-borne infectious agents, such as HIV, but the blood itself. Study after study has shown that transfusions, particularly those containing red blood cells, are linked to higher death rates in patients who have had a heart attack, undergone heart surgery, or who are in critical care. The exact nature of the link is uncertain, but it seems likely that chemical changes in ageing blood, their impact on the immune system, and the blood's ability to deliver oxygen are key.

    In fact, most experts now agree that the risk posed by the transfused blood itself is far greater than that of a blood-borne infection. "Probably 40 to 60 per cent of blood transfusions are not good for the patients," says Bruce Spiess, a cardiac anaesthesiologist at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond.

    Such claims have led this week to the US National Institutes of Health issuing a call for proposals to study the problem. Also this week, the Joint Commission in Chicago, which accredits US hospitals, is holding the first of several meetings to look for ways to reduce the risks. It is expected to at least conclude that hospitals should be more selective in the use of transfusions.

    Blood transfusion became a mainstay of medicine during the two world wars, where it was used as a last resort to save soldiers who had suffered massive blood loss. But now, far from being restricted to catastrophic bleeding, transfusions are routinely used as an optional treatment, most commonly for patients in intensive care or undergoing major surgery. In these situations, mostly small volumes of red cells are transfused, usually after they have been stored at 4 °C for anything up to 42 days.

    The rationale behind such blood transfusions seems incontrovertible. Red cells deliver vital oxygen to tissues, and seriously ill patients who are also anaemic fare less well, so a transfusion should help. Those assumptions went untested for the better part of a century.

    Things started to change in 1999 with a randomised controlled trial on 838 critical care patients in Canada that used haemoglobin levels to determine when a blood transfusion was given. Normal levels of haemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying protein in red cells, range from 120 to 170 grams per litre. A normal haematocrit - the proportion of red cells in the blood - ranges from 36 to 50 per cent. Doctors decide whether to give a transfusion based on a number of factors, including haemoglobin levels and haematocrit, and the patient's overall robustness. Many guidelines exist, and practice varies from one hospital or doctor to another, but it is common for patients to receive transfusions when their haemoglobin dips to between 70 and 100 g/l or their haematocrit to 21 to 30 per cent.

    But the Canadian study found significantly fewer patients died in hospital, 22 versus 28 per cent, if they received transfusions only when their haemoglobin fell below 70 g/l rather than when it fell below 100 g/l.

    A more recent study has found that in heart attack patients with haematocrits of over 25 per cent, a transfusion is associated with more than three times the risk of death or a second heart attack within 30 days compared with not having a transfusion (Journal of the American Medical Association, vol 292, p 1555).

    For almost 9000 patients who had heart surgery in the UK between 1996 and 2003, receiving a red cell transfusion was associated with three times the risk of dying in the following year and an almost sixfold risk of dying within 30 days of surgery compared with not receiving one. Transfusions were also associated with more infections and higher incidences of stroke, heart attack and kidney failure - complications usually linked to a lack of oxygen in body tissues (Circulation, vol 116, p 2544).

    For heart-surgery patients in the UK, a red cell transfusion was associated with three times the risk of dying within the year

    "There is virtually no high-quality study in surgery, or intensive or acute care - outside of when you are bleeding to death - that shows that blood transfusion is beneficial, and many that show it is bad for you," says Gavin Murphy, a cardiac surgeon at the Bristol Heart Institute, who ran the UK study.

    Organisations such as the American Society of Anaesthesiologists have started recommending that doctors be more conservative about ordering transfusions. But many experts worry that the recommendations are being ignored, and don't go far enough. Transfusion, they say, should only be used as a last resort, and far greater effort should go into preventing blood loss in the first place and ensuring patients are not anaemic before surgery (see "Bloodless surgery").

    "Usually when there is any clinical uncertainty about a treatment you don't give it, but with transfusions we do," says James Isbister of the Royal North Shore Hospital in Sydney, who is an adviser to the Australian Red Cross Blood Service.

    A priority is to find out how transfusions can be harmful. One possibility is that they affect the patient's immune system. Blood transfusions are typically teeming with cytokines - chemicals that modify immune cells - and both the cytokines and white blood cells in donated blood have been shown to affect the action of "recipient" immune cells in the lab. Before modern immunosuppressant drugs were developed, blood transfusions were sometimes used to achieve immunosuppression during kidney transplants.

    Several of the recent studies have found an association between contracting infections in hospital and transfusions, which seems to support the theory. "The more units of blood patients receive, the more likely they are to get infections," says Mary Rogers at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, who has studied transfusions in US heart surgery patients.

    Infections are not the whole story, however. Within hours of being collected, red cells become stiff, making them less able to squeeze into narrow capillaries - essential if they are to deliver oxygen to organs. The changes are triggered in part by white cells, although it is not known how they might do this. Blood banks in the UK routinely filter blood to remove any white cells, something which is not done everywhere in the US or Australia.

    Within hours of being collected, red cells become stiff, making them less able to squeeze into narrow capillaries

    Chemical changes also take place that limit the ability of red cells to deliver oxygen to the tissues. For example, levels of nitric oxide (NO), which signals blood vessels to open, drop dramatically within a day of collection. "We are now working on the best way to put NO back into blood on a large scale," says Jonathan Stamler of Duke University in North Carolina.

    Another study, published last month, suggests the longer red cells are stored, the poorer their quality (The New England Journal of Medicine, vol 358, p 1229). It found patients who received blood more than two weeks old were almost 70 per cent more likely to die within a year than those who got newer blood.

    "If all blood had to be used within two weeks, it would cause a major inventory problem," says Isbister, adding that the finding highlights the need to look for better ways to store blood. Just as important is the need for clinical trials to work out who benefits from transfusions and who doesn't. "We need 60 or 70 randomised clinical trials right now," says Spiess.

    But people should not stop donating blood, stress experts. "Transfusion is critical in several situations such as severe haemorrhage. We also need blood for essential products such as antibodies and clotting factors for people with haemophilia," says Isbister.

    Bloodless surgery

    "Reduce, reuse, recycle" is usually a mantra for the environment, but it applies to "bloodless surgery" too.

    It was originally developed to enable Jehovah's Witnesses, who shun transfusions, to undergo major surgery. But as safety concerns have spread so has its use. It may involve little more than treating any anaemia prior to surgery, reducing the blood taken for tests, and meticulous surgery.

    "Most general surgery patients who receive a transfusion get one or two units of blood. With careful surgery you can avoid losing that amount in the first place," says Nicolas Jabbour at the Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City.

    Special techniques can also be used.For example, at the New Jersey Institute for the Advancement of Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Englewood Hospital, patients who have lost a lot of blood may spend time in a hyperbaric chamber after surgery in an attempt to load their remaining red cells with oxygen. More commonly, during or after surgery, spilt blood is collected, cleaned and reinfused. The process has the disadvantage that it removes proteins that stimulate clotting and is also unacceptable to some Jehovah's Witnesses. An alternative is to remove some blood before surgery and replace it with saline or another fluid. After surgery, the patient's blood is returned.

    Bloodless surgery works, suggests a 2006 study comparing 49 Jehovah's Witnesses and 196 non-Jehovah's Witnesses undergoing cardiac surgery, which found comparable death rates during surgery (The American Journal of Cardiology, vol 98, p 1223).

    To anyone who decided to scroll all the way down through this - Thank You

    ps. I can't wait for them to bring out a new Creation book. This is like shooting fish in a barrel

  • mavie
    mavie

    thanks.

  • insearchoftruth
    insearchoftruth

    Very interesting....no one says that a blood transfusion is without risk, but there are many situations where the choice is blood or death.

    I think most believe that a surgery with minimal blood loss or need for transfused blood is preferable.....no mention in the article about fractions being a matter of conscience, is there???

    This is like shooting fish in a barrel

    Is the barrel getting smaller, or are they just adding more fish.......

  • Gladring
    Gladring

    The full study from Circulation can be found here: http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/circ/fulltext.00003017-200711270-00009.htm;jsessionid=JYsB0fY0pM4mrFGfMvNWMTwq2RKGJ48Rqp2KWLLmcljhJJGpv4TC!-1031399950!181195629!8091!-1

    If anyone feels like it they can paste it here. It needs someone with a grasp of medicine and/or statistics to get to grips with it really.

  • LDH
    LDH

    Gladring, when I find quotes that the WBTS has used, I immediately turn them over to the publication. 90% of the time or better, the WBTS is in violation of copyright, and at the least, hasn't asked for permission to quote.

    Since you found this one, i'm wondering what your thoughts are on contacting that source directly.

  • Gladring
    Gladring

    Interesting LDH. How do you go about doing this? What can the publisher do about it?

  • sir82
    sir82
    90% of the time or better, the WBTS is in violation of copyright, and at the least, hasn't asked for permission to quote.

    Really? That's surprising. I would have thought, given the brevity of the quotes the WTS typically use, their use of them would fall under "Fair Use" and not require permission.

    What happens in those 90% of the cases? I don't ever recall seeing a WT retraction of a quote, or a printed apology.

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere
    sir82 wrote: What happens in those 90% of the cases? I don't ever recall seeing a WT retraction of a quote, or a printed apology.

    There was one on their website about a year ago that they took down.

    I don't expect that we or the R&F will ever see an apology or a retraction. But... If they get enough complaints (legal and otherwise) from the people they are quoting, they just might stop their erroneous practice.

    If someone used my words to trick other people into participating in an activity that could cause them to lose their life (ie: refuse transfusion) I'd probably want to know about it.

    Here is a thread that talks about just such a mis-quote that was placed on the official WT website: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/148574/1.ashx

    The author/speaker was contacted and soon afterwards the link was removed.

    Each time a published author or speaker calls them on their misquotes, the WTS loses a little more credibility in the world.

    -Aude.

  • LDH
    LDH

    Keep in mind "fair use" doesn't mean you can TWIST the original intent of the source for your own needs!

    Contact the publisher directly, and find out who is their counsel (attorney) that handles copyright issues.

    Provide that attorney with a copy of the magazine, and leave it at that.

  • Gladring
    Gladring

    I will follow this up but this does seem to be a tactic of theirs recently. They use a selective quote but make no comment on it. The intention is that it reinforce an already held belief in the JW mind but, in the event that they are called on it, they have not twisted the quote. Maybe it is "fair usage" legally. I'll check it out.

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