Gas prices up again

by Junction-Guy 39 Replies latest social current

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024275.php

    RAND SIMBERG ON ECONOMIC ILLITERACY AND TALK OF "PRICE GOUGING:" "Every time we have a natural disaster like this, this idiotic topic comes up, and we once again have to explain Econ 101 to the products of our public school system, probably in futility. This time, it's Rich Hailey's turn." Yeah, if only big TV networks with high-paid staffs could do the kind of reporting and analysis that we see from lone amateur bloggers.

    Rand also notes:

    Jeez, I thought that David Asman was smarter than that. Now he's telling Fox viewers to take pictures of stations with high gas prices so that they can be reported to authorities. It's hard for me to believe that Neal Cavuto would do that. . . .

    You know, I think that this is an explanation for socialism and collectivism's continuing grip on the public mind, despite its long history of unending failure. There's just something in human psychology to which it naturally appeals, and rationality just can't break through. It just "feels" unfair for prices to go up in an emergency, regardless of the demonstrably bad consequences of attempting to legislate them.

    Yeah. But I do know that in order to "gouge" you have to have something to sell. So here's my gas station photo. I passed four gas stations on Kingston Pike earlier today. Two were out of gas, one was out of premium, and one had nothing but regular left. Nobody's making money selling gas they don't have.

    I'd encourage people to send me pictures of clueless TV news anchors but, really, I don't have that much space here . . . .

    UPDATE: More thoughts from Shannon Love: "I’ll say it one more time for those who can’t be bothered to actually ask someone who owns a gas station. Gas stations set prices for the gas they sell today based on the wholesale price of the gas they will have to buy to replace it. Get it? The price you pay for a gallon today is the cost of the gallon the station will have buy to replace the one you just bought. Gas stations sell gas at or near cost, so if they did not use replacement pricing any sudden spike in gas prices would shut them down and you couldn’t get any gas. I simply do not know why our public and private talking heads cannot understand and communicate this simple fact."

    ANOTHER UPDATE: More here:

    As for fuel availability, Pilot hasn't run out at any of its stores, but is struggling to make sure supplies remain constant. A fuel shipment from Colonial Pipeline's main trunk into Knoxville that was originally slated to arrive Saturday, then was postponed until Tuesday, has now been pushed back to Thursday, Wright said.

    The problem now is not just less fuel coming from the refineries, but a run on the pumps by drivers, he said.

    "The fuel situation for Pilot really hasn't changed a whole lot since yesterday. We have fuel right now and we continue to deliver fuel to our stores; the problemwe have is we are selling about twice as much fuel as we normally would," he said. . . .

    Pilot isn't the only local gasoline retailer watching the fuel situation deteriorate.

    "I've been in this business 50 years and this has never happened before," said Bill Weigel, head of the Weigel's chain of convenience stores in Knox, Blount, Sevier, Loudon, Anderson and Monroe counties.

    Weigel, who said Thursday that about a half-dozen Weigel's stores had run out of gas, declined to say how many more stores had run dry Friday.

    "It's worse today than yesterday, and it will probably be worse tomorrow," he said Friday.

    Weigel and other retailers have been scouring the country for fuel supplies since Gustav left refinery outages along the Gulf Coast, creating severe shortages. With Ike reaching landfall at Galveston and Houston, the heart of the country's petroleum manufacturing industry, some fear a worst-case scenario for retailers and consumers.

    Weigel said Friday afternoon he had found a supply of gasoline in Birmingham, Ala., and was afraid to find out what it was going to cost him. He had to pay $4.49 a gallon for the last batch he bought.

    Spot-market prices are much higher in places. One problem is that -- as with electrical production -- there's not a lot of slack left in the system. More refineries would help . . . .

    Of course, some are blaming the media: "Why is it that local news (both print and television) feels the need to try and scare the crap out of everyone on a regular basis. The paper runs a story about fuel shortages, and then runs another story about a "run on the pumps". Brilliant. I wonder how much gas prices would have increased if there hadn't been a media blitz with constant radio updates of how bad it was getting?"

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    The reason why Pilot still has plenty of gas, is that they were the first to start jacking up the prices, while a few other stations were still selling at $4.49, thus the run on gas and the longer lines, because people were looking for the cheaper gas and bypasing Pilot stations.

    There are a few stations up the road 10 miles, and they sell it for $4.49, the other stations should do the same. There is no excuse for this, none.

    The Oil Companies, the big business republicans, even the dems can say all they want, it is nothing but pure greed, and they are gouging us deep.

  • junctions-wife
    junctions-wife

    Wow David, I can't believe the gas is that high in Knoxville. Dad said that where we get our gas it is only $3.60. But we use midgrade with ethanol. I don't think it has ever gotten over $4.00 here. Not even on the biggest holiday weekends during the summer. I think the other day when we filled up it was only $3.32.

    Amanda

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Maybe your gas comes from Alaska, where ours here comes from Texas. I heard that the gas in Ohio and Ky comes from up north, yet Ohio is still jacking up prices too, while Ky is holding theirs down, many thanks to the governor, even though he is a different political party than mine. I give credit to where it is due.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    They were warning of that as refineries are not able to make any new gasoline. That affects first the people in the area of the hurricane, but unless the refineries are back online, gas shortages are going to begin to appear because they are not producing the stuff.

  • golf2
    golf2

    To mornings ago, I was paying $122.9 a litre. By the afternoon it went up $131.9 a litre, by the evening it was $145,9 a litre!!!!! Outside my hometown its $149.9 a litre.







  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    If actual shortages develop, it wouldn't surprise me to see a large number of cases of gasoline theft from motor vehicles reported. Be careful where you park!

    Dave

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    In Los Angeles gas ticked down this week. I started @ 3.89 for supreme and yesterday it was 3.85. I've seen a few ARCO stations down at 3.79 for supreme

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    They were warning of that as refineries are not able to make any new gasoline. That affects first the people in the area of the hurricane, but unless the refineries are back online, gas shortages are going to begin to appear because they are not producing the stuff.

    Isn't it funny that we had hurricanes the entire last century and the oil refineries did not stop producing? Gas prices were affected very little. People will buy anything: just ask Carl Rove.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24
    Isn't it funny that we had hurricanes the entire last century and the oil refineries did not stop producing? Gas prices were affected very little. People will buy anything: just ask Carl Rove.

    LOL...you are so right on FHN. So right on.

    Sadly buying gas is still a real necessity for most people and not a choice - not that Bush and his ilk care about most people - I think that record speaks for itself.

    All week the news media were telling the masses that oil was going to go up because there might be some storm damage, or there might be this issue or that - it doesn't matter what reason they gave, all that matters is that the media pump the people up to expect the price to rise and wow, imagine that when it does! Every week there's another 'might be' issue coming along to let you know that by gawd, your prices are going to go up - we don't really know why but heck - there's a storm coming up across the Atlantic so we think that's going to do it.

    Bottom line is that we were buying gas for about $1.40 in 2001, in 2004 we filled up for about $1.85 a gallon - it was rising and costing more so we got rid of the van; then this year we paid $5.00 a gallon but now we're driving a little 4 cylinder hyundai...the price of gas has risen about 250%..then portion out the increase applied to food and heating costs since they are all related. Domestic demand has been down for 2 years but prices rose substantially during those same 2 years...now it's global demand and not domestic demand. In the end who cares .but to say that there is no greed and gouging when stations raise their prices in advance of a storm simply because they can, is ludicrous. sammieswife.

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