Russia and a new cold war

by jacethespace 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • jacethespace
    jacethespace

    I occasionally find myself wondering whether the situation with russia is the bible prophesy of the king of the north and his final rising up being fullfilled.Although im out of the watchtower i sometimes wonder.

    What do you think the situation with russia is leading too?Is it a new cold war starting?

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Is it a new cold war starting?

    No. Russia is too weak militarily and economically to play the role it once did. It can still cause a lot of trouble however, as the Georgia situation bears out.

    BTS

  • insearchoftruth
    insearchoftruth

    I will have more concerns if the relationship between the US and China starts to decay...right now they have too much need for each other to let the relationship get bad.

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr

    I think they wonna pick up on their lost self-confidence and they find themselves justified by the West's recognition of Kosovo's independence.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    I think they wonna pick up on their lost self-confidence and they find themselves justified by the West's recognition of Kosovo's independence.

    That is definitely part of it, IMHO.

  • Number1Anarchist
    Number1Anarchist

    Russia is the largest oil producer in the world and growing they have more natural resources than anyone and will do anything to protect them!

    It is not Saudi Arabia like people think!

    Oil is purchased in dollars if they switched to Rubles it would seriously hurt an already shrinking economy in the US! If other countries did the same our US economy would collapse!

    The US right now is not 9 trillion in debt but 53 trillion dollars in debt and riseing!

    Watch I.O.U.S.A. a recent documentary to learn more.

  • yknot
    yknot

    I fear Putin..... really!

    Yes I am still feeling Russia as the KoN .....but am flexible to change my mind depending on global events.

    Yes oil is big in Russia...... a show down in on the horizon sometime down the line between us and them too.

    If you can......switch to CNGlike biogas.... it will save you some $$$$ and headache on down the line.

  • reniaa
    reniaa

    I fear, that it has been too long since a major war, men start to forget the consequences and think arms solves the problems. When two major powers start sizing each other up allowing conflict to grow, only memory of what a truly terrible war can do will stop them, I get worried! do you know when we used to worry about nuclear holocaust? I worry about it now when people are starting to forget and think they can use only one to solve an argument.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    The war machine is the money machine. Iraq will probably wind down so we need a new bad guy. Russia provided the needed bad guy with the capacity to harm us. They aren't the same militarily but they do have the weapon of oil on their side

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    This article on bloomberg which fan the old cold war hysteria

    Georgia War Shows Russia Army Now a `Force to Be Reckoned With'

    By Sebastian Alison

    Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) -- When British General Sir Michael Rose commanded United Nations forces protecting Bosnia in the mid-1990s, he gained first-hand knowledge of Russia's army, which participated in the mission.

    ``They were worse than useless,'' the 68-year-old retired officer said in an interview.

    Not any more.

    Russia's five-day drubbing of the U.S-trained and equipped Georgian military this month followed a 5-trillion ruble ($200 billion) buildup undertaken in 2006 and lessons learned from misadventures in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

    ``Today they're a reinvented institution and a military force to be reckoned with'' after ``10 years of humiliation and pressure from NATO,'' Rose said.

    The resurgent military deployed in Georgia gives Russia a credible threat of force as it seeks to check the pro-Western aspirations of its neighbors. Backed by the U.S., the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in April promised Georgia and Ukraine, both former Soviet republics, eventual membership in the military alliance.

    ``The Russians regard the Georgian episode as merely the start of a sustained campaign to restore their country's sphere of influence,'' wrote Jonathan Eyal, director of International Security Studies at London's Royal United Services Institute, on its Web site. ``It is now impossible to persuade the East Europeans that a Russian threat is remote.''

    Booming Economy

    Supported by a booming, oil-fueled economy, Russia has been increasing military spending since Vladimir Putin, now prime minister, became president in 2000, said Konstantin Makiyenko, a Russia defense analyst for the Center for Strategy and Technology Analysis.

    The 2006 buildup increased spending further. Russia's annual military budget likely will rise to 1.029 trillion rubles this year and 1.267 trillion rubles in 2009, up from 841 billion rubles in 2007, according to Finance Ministry data published Aug. 22 by UralSib Financial Corp.

    The budget is cloaked in secrecy, so it isn't known exactly how the money is spent. Makiyenko said the armed forces in recent years have procured more advanced weapons, including T-90 battle tanks, Iskander missile complexes, the S-400 air defense system and more than 30 fighter jets.

    Russia also has raised pay for its troops, which numbered 1.13 million in June, according to Defense Ministry spokesman Yury Ivanov. Russia plans to cut the payroll, mainly by reducing non-combat positions, to 1 million by 2013 so it can increase wages more as its conscript army is honed into a more professional force.

    Weaponry Display

    The military is ``gaining in strength and power like all of Russia,'' President Dmitry Medvedev said May 9, presiding over its biggest weaponry display since the Soviet era, in Moscow's Red Square on the 63rd anniversary of the World War II victory over Germany.

    A day earlier, Putin urged Parliament to keep increasing spending because ``only a battle-ready, well-equipped military with strong morale can defend'' Russia's ``sovereignty and integrity.''

    The renewed strength allowed an estimated 10,000 troops to storm into Georgia almost unimpeded. Columns of troops and armaments rolled through South Ossetia, the pro-Moscow breakaway region that sparked the war after Georgia tried to retake it. Fighter jets bombed military bases as tanks ruined parts of the regional capital, Tskhinvali.

    Stalin's Birthplace

    Within three days, Russia controlled a third of Georgia, including the port of Poti and the central city of Gori, birthplace of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.

    Russian General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the General Staff, said no new arms were tested during the war. Instead, the Russians used T-72 tanks fitted with explosive- reactive armor, BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry vehicles, BTR-80 armored personnel carriers and MT-LB multipurpose tracked vehicles, said Jane's Information Group, a defense intelligence service. It also used self-propelled guns and rocket-launchers.

    Georgia suffered more troop casualties -- 215 killed and 1,200 wounded -- than Russia, with 64 killed and 323 wounded, according to figures from both governments. About 2,100 South Ossetian civilians also died, Nogovitsyn said.

    ``The Russian incursion into Georgian territory -- and the air campaign against Georgian military targets -- show a confident Russian military,'' Jane's analyst Nathan Hodge wrote in a report. ``This is not the degraded Russian military of the 1994-1996 Chechen War, when Russian fighting units were plagued by corruption, poor leadership and lack of funding.''

    Hollow Army

    Putin, 55, came to power after a decade of economic chaos following the Soviet Union's collapse in 1991 hollowed the once- vaunted Red Army. Morale and pay were so low during the second war against Chechnya separatists, starting in 1999, that soldiers sold arms and ammunition to rebels, Russian novelist and journalist Vladimir Voinovich wrote in 2003. Some officers sold their men to Chechen warlords as slaves, he wrote.

    Nogovitsyn said Russia learned strategic lessons from that war. ``Chechnya taught us many things, including how to use units as part of battalion tactical groups,'' he said Aug. 19.

    Russia plans to garner additional lessons from Georgia. Medvedev, 42, on Aug. 18 said the war should be used to develop new approaches to arms procurement and assigned Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov to come up with them.

    ``There will be a decisive switch towards practical action,'' Nogovitsyn said. ``When there were no resources, we shuffled papers in academies, but now a new era has started. We will teach our troops whatever they need to know'' with exercises that replicate battle conditions and aircraft that ``no longer sit on the runway.''

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