by jakes 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
TheOld Hippie, what you said is right
Yet , this letter (in the first post ) is not from TFJW / the member "fjtoth" has made a confusion / the letter is from an ex member of tfjw
a few years ago the leadership of tfjw have informed their members officially, through an "Informator" that that person (the autor of the letter) "is doing the Devil's work" and "manifesting the Devil's spirit" and that the "brothers" should avoid any contact with him. This does resemble with others practice...
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1) Are you saying that Jehovah's witnesses are The exclusive people of Jehovah as were the Israelites in Moses day?
the answer:
-- Not only the Jws.
The gathering that started with Russel marks the beginning of God's people -- in the "latter days".
The time has approached for God, to bring His Kingdom on earth , and that Kingdom has to start here within a people (of saints), so Jehovah God proceeded to gather His people.
For a certain man , or group of men , to be considered "alive" from God's point of view , they need to "eat" from "Heavenly bread" - John 6:32,33,35.
So , God gave it to them: Psalm 78:24 / 105:40b (prophetically shown here).
What is the Heavenly Bread ? -- It is Jesus' sacrifice together with the correct understanding of how it works (a teaching)!
It implies a correct understanding and knowledge about what is (both) the weakness and willfully sin !
As Jesus teaches, after one's baptism/consecration , that "ransom" cover only weaknesses , while the christian person is commended to "clean" his hearth : see Mark 7:18-23.
All these things listed by Jesus here are willfully sins , and are not forgiven after receiving "the truth"... see Hebrew 10:26!
Jehovah God through His Spirit helped br. Russel to understand this teaching - in 1872 - and so, this is the very year of starting "God's people history" -- a year found not by some kind of chronology , but as a result of the work/action of God !
God used Russel as "a prophet" ... see Hosea 12:13 !
Starting with that time many persons came to a good relation with Jehovah God to do His will, based on a good foundation.
So, from that time, all men that lived according to God's revealed requirement to keep "holy" (1Tess. 4:2,3,6,7,8,.) whether they call themselves Bible Students , Jehovah's Witnesses (included various eastern groups of Jws). or the disfellowshipped ones(still Christians), are God's people !
Now, God was expecting from His people to be "faithful".... Isaiah 63:8-10 !
But they were NOT! ... it happens like this : read Deuteronomy 32:15/ Hosea 11:1,2...5,7,
Therefore Jehovah God decided to punish them - it is a manifestation of His RIGHTEOUSNESS! - see: Isaiah 66:18 / Jeremiah 5:29 /Deut. 32:19-21...
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2) Are you saying that Russell and Rutherford were true sons of the Kingdom ?
the answer :
-- Russel and Rutherford had a heart that loved God, and they never taught others to sin wilfully , in spite of having many weaknesses , specially Rutherford .
Jehovah God speaks right: Isaiah 43:27,28 !
The main sin that God charges the two is : Jeremiah 2:12,13. Yes , they did not wait for Jehovah in giving the "food", but they mixed the teaching received by Holy Spirit with their own conclusions...
So , a lot of teachings such as "the chronology" (the way to find these years like 1914, 1925, 1975 etc.), piramydology , natural Israel as God's people , God's earthly organization , etc,etc,... are NOT biblically and NOT from God !
But because Jehovah God uses them to give food and warnings to His people, and they have not broken the covenant, He shows us they are forgiven through Christ sacrifice./YHWH considered they had a good/clean heart before Him .
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3) Are you saying that 2 Thess 2 was then fulfilled when a group took control of the bible students and stood in the holy place?
the answer:
-- While Christ was sowing wheat , when "everybody was sleeping" the enemy sowed the weeds!
Starting exactly with Russel , the shepherds of Israel were sleeping regarding to ... what is written in Hebrews 12:16,17.
So, persons like Esau were "born" into christian congregation.
They got numerous and became the "opposite side" of truth --the weeds. Because even the wheat sinned against God , He decided "a day" or a period of time to punish His people (the holy ones)
That punishment meant to be : the holy ones had to lose the leadership over God's house and "the Esau house" gained it !
the "7 persons-heads" that took control after Rutherford's death belonged to Edom.. they taught (indirectly) that Christ ransom covers the wilfully sin , that means they took away the continual offering ...see Dan 8:11.
The "holy place: does not mean "the society WT", but refers to the spiritual Temple and the (kind of) worship there.
So , the weeds were already entered or "sown" in the Temple , but when they took control of Society , and so , over God's people , they in fact elevated themselves to the position of "god" according to 2 Tess. 2:4 !
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4) Are you saying that they tampered with the word of God by creating the NWT to mislead the sheep?
the answer :
-- Yes they "adapted" the bible to their purposes !
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5) Are you saying that this group is in fact the "seven headed wild beast" ?
the answer :
-- Yes ,they were 7 "anointed" which proved that have lost their anointment (or have broken the covenant) because of their works , and they became "the 7 heads"....of the beast, but the entire beast include all human - organizational structure that was imposed over God's people all over the earth .
In fact , only people who obeyed and subjected themselves under the leadership of those 7 heads were allowed to be in "positions" in this organization !
they all together are "the body" of the beast.
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6) Are you saying that all those within the WTO have received the mark of the beast by being baptised into the WTO?
the answer :
-- Not by baptism... but by receiving, believing and living according to the erroneous teachings proliferated by this "man of lawlessness" they have received the "mark of the beast"
the worst thing (worse than changing the baptismal vow) the beast did, is removing the Christ sacrifice's meaning, ( "and the continual burnt offering was taken away from him" Dan 8:11 ) , saying and teaching that the wilfully sin is covered by His sacrifice !
All persons believing that , loving that teaching , while they love to play with wilfully sin (and to practice it ) , are those with beast's mark..consciently .
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7) Are you saying that the two annointed witnesess were russell and rutherford and their preaching truth works were stopped by the beast ?
the answer :
-- I don't ! The two witness are two class/groups that compound the body of Christ: the "prophet" and the "priest". both being "wheat".
Geremiah 23:11.
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8 ) Are you saying that the two witnesses (the holy ones) will be soon given the kingdom when they are re-established and the beast is killed ?
the answer :
-- Yes ! the holy ones HAVE (need) first to be cleansed !
and then the kingdom will be done to them! Dan 7:21,22,25,26,27.
they have to be gathered ! Isaiah 11:11 / Ezekiel 36:24,25,...32!
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9) Are you saying that the only people who have any connection with this work are within the WTO ?
the answer :
-- Not only!
But the most of them (the gross number) are there ... at the daughter of Babylon Zech.2:7.
Also there are (some of)Bible Students and others , but it is surely about those who have "eaten" from Heavenly Bread ! (they are those who rightly appreciate what means "be saints because I am saint" as God says.
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10) Do you believe that the wild beast only dominates Gods household rather than the whole of the human race?
the answer :
-- Yes ! They dominate God's house , while deceiving the whole earth saying that they are God's people or chosen ones and Jehovah's unique channel on earth !
They "interposed" themselves between God, His kingdom , and the rest of all humankind , and that happened in a time permitted by God ...
this way they dominated all persons on earth who wanted to approach God and his Kingdom ...
of course , those of humankind who were not interested in serving God , are not part of this picture..
Dear , here is a "body" or a "building" of teaching ! There is a full bible and events to prove it ! Here I used only a few arguments ...
See: Jesus did not tell historical tales to his contemporanes about Egypt , Babilon , or Rome etc,etc, as beying part of the seven world's Powers ... and much history...
but He told them words that implied directly their hearts and their way to worship God , implying their responsibility before God !
Each prophetical part He quoted, He applied it to them, revealing their state of heart before the Father and himself
Today God's people like to tale about political beasts...because that not discover what's inside their heart !
But today is a time to seek God's righteousness, by returning to Christ's teaching, to obey it ! Matthew 17:5.
God's people until now were composed of two "nations": the holy ones or "wheat" , and the "weeds" or wicked ones ... Jeremiah 5:26 / Deut. 32:21.
Jesus said (Matt 24:34) "that nation will not pass till... "
He referred not to "generation" , but to the bad "nation" , the weeds . The wheat will not be able to escape from them (the weeds) until Jehovah will come through His Messenger , (at the second coming) , while all signs will happen! Matthew 24:32.33.
He comes to do the judgement at The Temple and all his people , to refine Jacob's sons , to deliver them from under all Babylonysh slavery and then to give to them the Kingdom !
The wicked nation is that: see Matt 16:4,
the sign of Jonah is , they ( "the evil and adulterous generation") will see when God's spirit comes over the two dead witnesses and they stay up again ! Rev 11:11.
While the wicked nation will be ready for destruction (even named themselves as Jehovah's witness), for the righteous nation today Jehovah is preparing something good ! see Isaiah 26:2 .
" Open the gates, that the [uncompromisingly] righteous nation which keeps her faith and her troth [with God] may enter in." ...
(where ? see Rev 22: 14,15 )
Hope this help a little,
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"He brings princes to nothing,
and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.
Isaiah 40:23
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Here is what we read in the Bible book of Daniel about a great action by Jehovah:
"He changes times and circumstances; he overthrows and makes kings; ..." (Daniel 2:21).
How does JEHOVAH change 'times and circumstances'?
First of all, it is necessary to know that He acts in accordance with the decisions He has made beforehand, seeing clearly what is to come (Isaiah 46:10a).
In connection with this, it is then necessary to understand that in connection with these decisions, JEHOVAH clarifies things at the time appointed by Him, that is, before it happens, He reveals to His messengers, through His Holy Spirit, the 'mystery' of those things.
Of course, this is necessary because prophetic things are 'hard to understand' and the human mind can only understand and comprehend them through the divine revelation given by JEHOVAH by His Spirit.
"He reveals what is deep and hidden; ..." Daniel 2:22a.
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Hidden things were also those related to the true biblical identity of the "man of lawlessness."
Although some 'parties' of 'witnesses' talk about that intruder, they cannot prove at all that JEHOVAH had revealed to them the true identity of that intruder.
But there is enough evidence that in the pages of the brochure "The Reaper" the biblical true identity of that intruder was proved biblically, from the first issue of this brochure.
Of course, this was not accomplished by human power, but by the revelation made by JEHOVAH by His Holy Spirit.
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Now it is understood what 'princes' and 'judges' are really about.
Thus, it is now understood that the 'princes of Zoan' in Isaiah 19:11 are those princes we read about in Isaiah 10:8, about whom the Assyrian (the "man of iniquity" - the 'head' of the religious organization of witnesses) says:
"Are not my princes all of them kings?"
It is now understood, then, that these 'princes' are those to whom the 'Assyrian' (the king of the north in Daniel's prophecy) has given authority over many - Daniel 11:39.
The same is true of those who have called themselves leaders of various groups of witnesses, who unjustifiably have the false claim that they represent the "remnant."
Likewise, as far as 'judges' are concerned, let us understand that the authority given to them obliges them to work according to the justice of Jehovah.
But they don't work like that !!
That's why they will all be reduced to 'nothing' !!
- The Reaper. (Daily text of August 18, 2005).
"At midnight, a people totters and perishes.
The mighty perish, without the intervention of the hand of any man."
Job 34:20
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The expression 'at midnight' reminds us of JEHOVAH's action against the Egyptians in ancient times.
Then He struck all the first-born of the Egyptians, including Pharaoh's first-born.
Job was inspired to prophetically write these words that I quoted above, regarding an action that JEHOVAH would undertake in the end times. Not with regard to Satan, because he is not perishing now, but will only be bound,
but with regard to the 'man of lawlessness' (Pharaoh), who is indeed destined to perish.
And not only with regard to him, but also with regard to his people, which consists of all those who are faithful to him!
This Pharaoh of our times is that 'mighty' that Job speaks of here, and of which the inspired Isaiah showed that he would be dispossessed of the prey he had taken, namely the "saints" (who were overcome by the "horn" !) Isaiah 49:25; Daniel 7:21.
It should be remembered that these actions that lead to the loss of the 'strong one' and the 'people who waver' (Isaiah 19:14) take place without intervention, without "the intervention of any human hand".
Presenting the identity of the "man of lawlessness" from another angle, JEHOVAH inspired the prophet Isaiah to write:
"And the Assyrian shall fall slain by a sword, but not of a man:..." Isaiah 31:8.
-- Do you believe these things? Do you have the power to 'see' them?
- The Reaper. (Daily text of December 17, 2005).
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merry christmas.
