Strange e-mail from Romania

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  • jakes

    I received this strange e-mail from Romania. Is this guy a JW or is he "apostate"?

    Not sure what to make of it.

    Dears , the following Elijah's words fit to the present situation :

    21. " Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."
    But the people said nothing.. " 1 Kings 18.

    For a long time God's people worshipped wood-idols ..
    What is a wood idol ?

    8. "They are all senseless and foolish;
    they are taught by worthless wooden idols. "

    8. "They are both stupid and foolish;
    the instruction of idols is but wood! " Jeremiah 10:8.

    Any human interpretation (or according to human's will or science) of God's word is a wooden idol !

    So , anyone worshiping God according to any human interpretation of God's word , he is in fact a worshiper of wooden idol , even calling himself an "Jehovah Witness" or brother of Christ !

    But we are teached by Jesus to worship the Father "in spirit and truth" !
    What does it means ?

    23. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
    24. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
    John 4:23,24.

    To worship God in spirit , it means to have the understanding of His word , in spirit .
    So , what does it means undertanding in spirit ?
    If "God is spirit" , understanding "in spirit" means understanding according to His will !

    Jesus told us :
    12. "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
    13. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come."
    John 16:12,13.

    What is the truth ? Jesus answers :
    17. "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth . John 17:17.

    So , the spiritual understanding is that based upon all God's word , from Genesis to Rev. , and not upon chronology , piramidology , or other human science .

    Also the due importance must be given to the "teaching of Crist". Matthew 17:5 / 2 John 9 / Rev.19:10.

    Regarding Daniel's prophecies , God sent an angel to Daniel to say him His will concerning time and the frame of His prophecies' fullfilment :

    14 "And I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people at the end of the days: for the vision is yet for [many] days. "
    Daniel 10:14.


    Because the prophecies have their UNIQUE spiritual fullfilment INSIDE or WITHIN of that people gathered to serve to Jehovah ,

    the BEAST is to be looked for , inside of that people , at the time called "last days". Daniel 10:14.

    The beast is in fact an organizatory system built inside of that people by the seed/offspring of EDOM or ESAU.( WEEDS ).

    That system developped mainly after 1942.

    To that system the Devil gave its authorithy as written in Rev. 13:2.

    That system/city/organisation is very precious to the Devil , because it represents his LAST fortress on earth , in his fight against God and His people of saints !

    Devil will fight to defend his fortress !

    Now , let us find what is the mark of the beast according to God's will !
    Here it follows a quote from the article "The Beast" - the Tool of Punishment " written by an anointed brother of Christ , named Sas Gavril :

    "As it was previously mentioned, the new leadership that took control of the society in 1945 foremost of whom Knorr edited the book “The Translation of the New World”, which distorted a lot of information in God's word, despite the warning that the Holy Scriptures gave with regard to this.

    Thus, it was proven that these people have left Jehovah – “the spring of the living water”. And here is what Jehovah said about these individuals: “Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken the Lord, the spring of the living water” (Jeremiah 17: 13b)

    So, in spite of their statements and their claims of being part of the heaven, they have become dust. This is one of the horns, like a lamb's horn. The other horn is exactly the part which was assigned authority and which is shown as being, hopefully, earthly. These horns are like lamb's horns, meaning that they come in the Name of God's Lamb. But next, we are shown that the beast having this appearance was speaking like a dragon. What does this mean? Let us think about it a little. How does a dragon speak? How did it speak in the Garden of Eden when it misled the original couple? Hasn't it spoken by altering God's words?

    The same type of speech was imposed on the beast also for it could deceive the people of the world. The picture of “the original beast” is the tool of deceivement, that is the same book we were talking about – “The Translation of the New World ” which the beast indicates and submits to all as being the basic tool in the discovery of truth. Such a serious error! And precisely they who talk about other religions, sects or denominations do this kind of thing when they themselves do it.

    All those who consider this picture as being what it claims to be are worshipers of “the beast and his image” (Revelation 14: 9) On the other hand, those who do not worship the beast and its image are “killed”, that is they are denied and banished from within this group of so-called witnesses and, thus “they don't buy and don't sell the rich spiritual asset” given by the <<slave>>! Only those who worship the beast and its image have the sign of the beast!

    Concerning the reckoning of the beast's number, 666 we have to understand that time has come for Jehovah to give the necessary wisdom and knowledge to His messenger in order to be able to reckon the number of the beast. The expression “for he is a number of man” helps us understand that it's something concerning the things that are guided by people within the frame of an organized system, but which does not correspond to God's requirements.

    During this debate we have noticed that this beast is nothing else but the class of the opponents who settled in the temple as it was prophesied and thus, in relation with this organized system it is indicated to reckon the number of the beast.

    So, let us see how we can find this number. At page 109 of the book “Jehovah's witnesses, proclaimers of God's Kingdom”, in the second paragraph the following appear: “Starting with 1 st January 1976 all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of all the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses in the entire world have entered under the supervision of six administrative committees of the government corps. (And here we have the first six) Then, we read on: “In accordance with this measure, on 1 st February 1976 a similar modification took place in every branch of the society. (And this is the second six) Then, going down to the third step – the congregation we observe that there is a committee, which handles all the problems of the congregation. This committee is formed out of six members (and here is the third six) with the following functions and responsabilities: 1 – president; 2 – secretary; 3 – accountant; 4 – the supervisor of the minister school; 5 – the supervisor of the ministry service; 6 – the person who is in charge of the literature department. All these together represent the number 666.

    Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit of Jehovah there will be more debates in the future concerning the beast or as the prophet Daniel says “the wild animal”. And all these happen because we approach very rapidly to the moment of the liberation of Jehovah's saints whom the beast defeated. With the true judgment that follows this beast will be “taken the domination and completely destroyed forever”.

    “But the court will sit and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom and all rulers will worship and obey him.” (Daniel 7: 26b, 27)

    So now “a breath of life from God” will enter inside these saints.(Revelation 11: 11) Of course, this thing will bring along not only amazement (2 Thessalonians 1: 10) but also a severe earthquake (Revelation 11: 13)
    End quote.

    For further information you may see the entire article on site :

    Also see the following sites :

    Greetings from Jehovah's Word to all those worshipping Him "with spirit and with truth" :

    Jeremiah 51:9 Zeccariah 2:7 ; 8:1-8 Micah 2:12,13 ; 4:6,7 Amos 3:7
    Hosea 4:6 ; 6:1-3,6 ; 14:1-9 2John 1:9 Rev.10:5-7,11 ; 14:3 ; 15:2,3 ; 22:10-15 !

    As apostle Paul said , " but let God be true, and every man false; according as it is written, So that thou shouldest be justified in thy words, and shouldest overcome when thou art in judgment. "
    Romans 3:4.
    rus virgil from romania.

    I'm confused.


  • fjtoth

    This is a breakaway group who call themselves "the True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses" and "the faithful and uncompromised Jehovah’s Witnesses." They are found mainly in what were once Soviety Bloc countries, especially Romania. They're loyal to Russell and Rutherford, but they feel the WT Society in Brooklyn compromised the truth by changing the identification of "the superior authorities."

  • fjtoth

    Wikipedia states:

    In 1948, Jehovah's Witnesses in Romania came under ban from the Romanian government which lasted until 1989. They had limited access to changing Watchtower doctrines and studied largely from the books of Rutherford and older magazines. A prominent teaching was that the Superior Authorities did not refer to governments but to Jehovah. (Superior Authorities) After the ban was lifted they were in disagreement with the changes in teachings that had happened over the years and formed The True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses Association in 1992. [4]

    In 1962 some of Jehovah's Witnesses in the USSR could hardly believe that the new understanding of who the "Superior Authorities" were was really given by the Watchtower Society, not by the KGB. That is why they stopped using the publications of the Watchtower Society published after 1962. Some of these splinter groups in Russia, Ukraine and Moldova still exist. They call themselves the Theokratic Organisation of Jehovah's Witnesses and claim to seek contacts with Witnesses in other countries.[5]It is to be noted, however, that the membership of these splinter groups is still significantly smaller than the membership of Jehovah's Witnesses in those areas.

  • Hortensia

    so interesting, thank you! One thing I never thought of as a JW, and yet it is so logical, was the idea of splinter groups and schisms. All other religions have them. I'd say that's one of the most interesting things I've seen discussed on JWD. I never would have learned of these folks, or of the folks who are trying to change the blood policy, if not for JWD.

  • fjtoth

    I neglected to state where I found the above-quoted info in Wikipedia. It's at's_Witnesses_splinter_groups.

  • wantingtruth

    interesting this letter....

  • TD

    It's interesting in a way. They were cut off from the main organization to such an extent that they no longer recognized it when the Eastern block broke apart.

    --So much for the claim that there are not sects in the JW faith...

  • RayPublisher

    Jakes - I have swapped emails with Rus Virgil a few times and and he is a very nice and humble brother. His English is not that good (as you gathered) but he is very sincere IMO. Sometimes he makes a lot of sense, and others times it's difficult for me to understand what he means. He definitely is a deep student of the Bible.

  • wantingtruth

    From time in time I remember the content of this letter...

  • TheOldHippie

    Slightly strange is it, though, that people find this Romanian group (and similar groups in other so-called East European countries) humble and deep and earnestly Christian, while the same people mock Da Judge and his followers - because this Romanian group is VERY MUCH a Rutherfordian/early Knorrian group.

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