Elder: "Why are apostates ANGRY???"

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  • hamsterbait

    I was talking to my brother, who remembered an elder who came (in the mundane sense) on a regular basis to talk to us for shepherding calls.

    Sadly I now realise we got all these calls on cold winter Sudays, because with unbaptized kids they could count the time. ( I used to think the Borg just cared more in those days)

    ANYWAY - this time he went on and on about apostates, it was just before the DC. The thing they all seem to be is ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY. He couldn't understand why.

    I think we should arrange an apostogiggle fest over this one!!

    How stupid do you have to be?



  • Confession

    I addressed this in a recent letter to an old JW friend--who no longer attends, but still defends the organization. To see how he does this--and my full reply, here's the thread...


    I still remember the time when I asked a former Jehovah’s Witness, “Why so negative?” And now and then I’ll hear someone express something similar, as when you suggested that the things I spoke to you about are less legitimate and more the result of “deep-seated anger.” Some of us, for good reason, prefer to live in a less negative world, and so we look for the opportunities to minimize negativity. And when someone expresses disapproval, addressing them with calm, reasonable, counteractive words can make a person feel levelheaded and wise.

    So to such ones, I say, "Good for you!"

    But also I will ask, "When the Watchtower Society claims they are God's sole channel of communication, and that all other religious agencies are not merely mistaken--but under the direct control of "the wicked one," Satan the Devil...why so negative?"

    Further, when a teenage Witness girl is molested and raped by a congregation servant, and when she is threatened not to report this to the authorities by congregation elders who are taking their cues directly from the Watchtower Society; when she is expected instead to sit and listen to her rapist give talks from the platform--and never to speak of her abuse again...why so negative?

    When a Watchtower insider, overwhelmed by the evidence of the organization's failure to protect children from pedophiles among them, is finally moved by her conscience to come forward and tell the truth--but is summarily dismissed, condemned and shunned...why so negative?

    When the Society had it's followers surround other churches with signs in hand, and had soundcars blasting the message, "Religion is a Snare and a Racket!" to peaceable churchgoers...why so negative?

    When the Society joins up as an N.G.O. with the United Nations--what they claim to be the disgusting image of Revelation's Wild Beast--and they minimize the importance, but, when a young Witness man joins the YMCA and they threaten him with disfellowshipping and shunning...why so negative?

    When Witness researchers discovered grave errors in foundational Watchtower chronology, and they did not immediately respond to official threats to keep their mouths shut, and were then disfellowshipped and shunned...why so negative?

    When the Watchtower Society's president yelled out to more than 30,000 Witnesses, “Christendom must be cut down and thrown into the fire!”...why so negative?

    When the official position is that any religion other than their own is “deserving of the fiery expression of Jehovah’s wrath” and “fit for destruction"...why so negative?

    And when a baptized Witness decides they no longer recognize the Society as what it claims to be, and wish to leave peacefully, and when the Society then brands them as a wicked apostate, not even worthy of prayers; when their entire family and lifelong community of friends are now officially instructed by the Society to cut them off, vilifying them as of "The Evil Slave Class," I ask...why so negative?

    John, the way in which the Watchtower Society has come to dominate the lives, speech and thinking of its followers—while viciously protecting its own authority—cannot be successfully likened to “limited paper towel options.” (Something he mentioned in his e-mail.)

    Sometimes, when faced with the above questions, these evenhanded, sensible folks will remind me that other religions have been responsible for such things and worse. And they're right, aren't they? But has this ever been an acceptable excuse?

    To address a misunderstanding from your e-mail, my reason for speaking out as I do is not because I “miss my friends” or family. You’ll remember that, when I met you at the airport, I’d just met with my mom and dad. I have little in common today with most of my former Jehovah’s Witness friends. Would it be nice to see them? Sure, but I’m aware that, for most of them, it would be an uncomfortable experience as they struggle between what their heart tells them is right—and what a religious authority structure threatens them not to do. I’ve been blessed with many, many new friends. My reasons for standing up actually have to do with confronting authoritarian injustice. I don’t think it’s right to use the costume of “religious freedom” to disguise an organization’s manipulative attempts to keep their followers from exercising their own freedom. And while I acknowledge the “Serenity Prayer” on your mom’s calendar, the fact is lots of people have been helped to see they were in a misguided high pressure group, so I don’t consider it one of those things I just have to “accept,” turning a blind eye.

    Yes, it might be sad to see people who continue to be affected by the captivity of their families. But you know what is at least as sad? Watching someone choose to wear a helmet/mask unit that connects to their cerebral cortex and lets them live in a world of pathetically incorrect virtual reality, while their lives pass them by. Certainly, if after conducting an objective investigation into the facts, they decide to put that unit back on, it is their choice. But when they are craftily maneuvered, with the help of vicious social threats, not to look at all the information? I reserve the right to try and reach these ones, if they are open to listening.

    And so, John, for those cool, rational individuals I now meet who, like I used to do, ask of ex-JWs, "Why so negative?" I ask them to remember something extremely important. It was not former Jehovah’s Witnesses who decided to start being negative here. They'd have been happy to leave peaceably, still maintaining good relationships with friends and family within. It was the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society who decided they would not have it. They would not tolerate people questioning, challenging, or deciding to leave. It is they who decided to create an adversarial relationship with any who dared not accept their authority, inventing the remarkable spin that it is these cast off ones who are beating them!

    And it is with reference to them that I again ask, "Why so negative?”

    “I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do.” -D. Dale Gulledge, Author

  • New light for you
    New light for you
    “I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do.” -D. Dale Gulledge, Author

    Wow. that quote is amazing. pretty much says it all.

    But also great letter. They are an organization filled with hatred towards anyone who is not their own, or whom they view as a threat. That sounds pretty evil to me.

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    We have plenty of reasons to be angry, although many of us are able to overcome our anger and channel it productively.

    Once your elder becomes an apostate he too will be angry angry angry...


  • Layla33

    I am not angry, I am happy, happier than I ever was in that religion.

  • WTWizard

    Wouldn't they be angry if they got ripped off, say buying a used car and finding out that it was a lemon? And if they got the run-around when they tried to get it fixed?

    The Washtowel Slaveholdery will lie to get people in, and then they threaten to ruin their lives if they ever choose to leave. Often, they ruin these people's lives anyways. And they make people waste their time in field circus and in boasting sessions. Then there is the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund, which is never advertised as such on the boxes.

  • Finally-Free

    The watchtower taught me that all non JWs, even children, deserve to die at armageddon because they were evil. They taught me that everything is evil because it was controlled by Satan, and must be destroyed. "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one". They taught me to "hate what is bad". Sometimes, that included me.

    How can a person be happy when they are conditioned to hate everything around them, even themselves, as the JWs are?

    I think it's the JWs who are angry, and are just surpressing it. "Apostates" are in the process of letting go of their anger and hatred. Expressing anger in a non destructive way is part of healing. We are learning that the world isn't such a bad place after all.

    We are also mourning our lost lives, lost loves, and missed opportunities.


  • Lady Zombie
    Lady Zombie

    Wow. He's right! Why should I be angry?!

    I have no call to be angry about; being born into a cult, given no choice as to whether I follow the cult or not, having all my decision about my life made for me, being told I am deficient constantly, contemplating suicide at 14 because of it, living with the knowledge that my folks' love is conditional upon my "obedience" to the WTBTS, and so on.

    Nope. No call to be angry at all.

  • babygirl75

    I don't see any of us as being "angry"...

    We go through periods of being upset & hurt that we've been lied to and that our families shun us; but to say that we are angry or thrive on anger is just not true...

    I'm in a very happy period in my life.....happy...happy...happy!!!!


    When someone a JW considers apostate,speaks their mind..Why do JW`s get so Angry?......How many times have we seen a pro JW come on this board and throw a Hissy Fit?..Laughing Mutley...OUTLAW

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