New NGO-Letter by German Branch

by GermanXJW 26 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    Storch - a participant on the German board http://www.infolink-net.de/forum.htm wrote to the German branch. He got the following reply. And his local elders informed him without any reference to the letter that he is not to do talks in the TMS at the moment.

    The English translation is mine. If you have any corrections on grammar or words please do.

    Dear Brother ***,

    we have received your letter of October **th concerning the registration of the Watchtower Society as a non-governmental organization.

    In the reports, obviously a fact has been (maybe intentionally) misunderstood and used to discredit Jehovah's Witnesses. We can assure you that Jehovah's Witnesses and the legal corporations used by them have never been a part of the United Nations. Headquarters in Brooklyn has replied to a request concerning the status as a non-governmental organization (NGO) as follows:

    "Because of published allegations by opposers that we have secret links with the
    United Nations, a number of branches have inquired about the matter and we have
    replied. This circular letter replaces any replies we have given earlier and is
    sent to all branches. To anyone inquiring within your branch territory you might
    respond according to what is stated below:
    Our purpose for registering with the Department of Public Information as a
    nongovernmental organization (NGO) in 1991 was to have access to research
    material available on health, ecological, and social problems at the United
    Nations library facilities. We had been using the library for many-years prior
    to 1991, but in that year it became necessary to register as an NGO to have
    continued access. Registration papers filed with the United Nations that we have
    on file contain no statements that conflict with our Christian beliefs.
    Moreover, NGOs are informed by the United Nations that "association of NGOs
    with the DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations
    system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind
    of privileges, immunities or special status."
    Still, the Criteria for Association of NGOs-at least in their latest
    version-contain language that we cannot subscribe to. When we realized this, we
    immediately withdrew our registration. We are grateful that this matter was
    brought to our attention."

    We can add that at the time of the registration there was not even the need to sign the registration-form which shows how low the significance of the registration was perceived.

    Dear Brother ***, what makes us always a bit sad is the fact that some of our brothers seem to have a stronger confidence in the media and reports launched by our opposers than to statements made by the Organization by means of which they have learnt the truth. Of course we expect to be reproached, slandered and that any tiny occasion is used to put us in a bad light. We expect that and we are even happy about it because we endure this for Jehovah and his son (Matthew 5:11; 1 Peter 4:14). But we are hurt, when some of our brothers uncritically accept those presentations, getting set against Jehovah's organization or even letting themselves become a mouthpiece. Surely, no one of us wants to belong to those mentioned in Matthew 24:49 and 3 John 10. Of course, Satan would be happy if he urged us that far.

    Our opposers always spread the idea that we do some secret operations while keeping the publishers ignorant. These accusations are likely as old as Christianity itself - with the difference that today modern media are used. That does not mean that we condemn these media in general which can be seen by the fact that the Headquarters and some branches run their own Websites. But warnings are not without reason, because through the Internet you can easiliy get in touch with the thoughts of apostates which the Bible clearly warns against (2 John 8-11).

    Especially in intellectual circles of society it is viewed as "chique" to doubt everything on principle and to insinuate bad motives everywhere. How bad would it be if that destructive-crictical spirit was transferred to God's people. Paul said, love "believes all things" (1 Corinthians 13:7). That does not mean credulity but a positive confidence in Jehovah, his word and his organization. Of course, Jehovah's organization is not perfect. It was not in the first century and it was not at the time of the judges and kings of Israel. Nevertheless, those putting their confidence in the leading of the men appointed by God were blessed.

    One example for this is Absalom's rebellion. He reproached God's annointed king David when he told those who came with a legal case to the king: “See, your matters are good and straight; but there is no one from the king giving you a hearing.” (2 Samuel 15:3). Maybe he even gave examples of persons who seemed to have been treated unjustly. But Jehovah did not bless those who believing Absalom but those sticking to David who was appointed by God and who had obviously Jehovah's blessings. Surely, we want to follow Ittai's example who firmly stood by Jehovah's annointed (2 Samuel 15:21).

    We hope that these statements are helpful to you. In the confidence that Jehovah is giving us all the power to endure we are sending Christian greetings

    Your brothers
    Religious Community of Jehovah's Witnesses

    Lieber Bruder ***,
    wir haben Deinen Brief vom xx. Oktober erhalten, in dem es um die Registrierung der Wachtturm-Gesellschaft als Nichtregierungsorganisation (NGO) geht.
    Offensichtlich wurde in den Berichten eine Tatsache (möglicherweise absichtlich) mißverstanden und benutzt, um Jehovas Zeugen zu diskreditieren. Wir können Dir versichern, daß Jehovas Zeugen und die von ihnen benutzten rechtlichen Körperschaften nie ein Teil der Vereinten Nationen gewesen sind. Das Hauptbüro in Brooklyn hat auf Anfragen zum Status als Nichtregierungsorganisation (NGO) folgende Antwort gegeben:
    „Im Jahr 1991 haben wir uns zu dem Zweck beim DPI (UN- Department of Public Information) als NGO registrieren lassen, um in den Bibliothekseinrichtungen der Vereinten Nationen zu sozialen und wirtschaftlichen Problemen sowie zum Thema Gesundheit Nachforschungen anstellen zu können. Die Bibliothek ist schon vor 1991 viele Jahre von uns genutzt worden, doch in diesem Jahr wurde es erforderlich, sich als NGO registrieren zu lassen, um weiterhin Zugang zu der Bibliothek zu haben. Der Registrierungsantrag, so wie er eingereicht wurde und bei uns in den Akten vorliegt, enthielt keine Aussage, die zu unserem christlichen Glauben im Widerspruch wäre. Außerdem wurden NGOs von den Vereinten Nationen dahingehend informiert, daß ‚die Assoziierung mit DPI.... weder [bedeutet], daß die NGO Teil des Systems der Vereinten Nationen wird, noch, daß sie und ihre Mitarbeiter irgendwelche Vorrecht und Immunitäten oder spezielle Rechte haben.‘
    Dennoch enthalten die Kriterien für die Assoziierung als NGO – zumindest in ihrer jüngsten Version – Formulierungen, denen wir uns nicht anschließen können. Als wir darauf aufmerksam gemacht wurden, haben wir unsere Registrierung sofort zurückgezogen. Wir haben es sehr geschätzt, daß wir über diesen Sachverhalt unterrichtet worden sind.“
    Hierzu kann noch hinzugefügt werden, daß zur Zeit der Registrierung noch nicht einmal eine Unterschrift unter dem Registrierungsantrag notwendig war, was zeigt, welche geringe Bedeutung dieser Registrierung beigemessen wurde.
    Lieber Bruder ***, was uns immer etwas traurig macht, ist die Tatsache, daß manche unserer Brüder größeres Vertrauen in Medien und in von unseren Gegnern lancierte Berichte zu haben scheinen als die Aussagen der Organisation, durch die sie selbst die Wahrheit kennengelernt haben. Natürlich erwarten wir, daß man uns schmäht, verleumdet und jeden noch so geringen Anlaß benutzt, um uns in ein schlechtes Licht zu setzten. Damit rechnen wir, darüber freuen wir uns sogar, weil wir dies für Jehova und seinen Sohn ertragen (Matthäus 5:11; 1. Petrus 4:14). Es tut uns jedoch weh, wenn einige unserer Brüder diese Darstellungen kritiklos übernehmen, sich davon gegen Jehovas Organisation aufstacheln oder sogar zum Sprachrohr machen lassen. Bestimmt will niemand von uns zu denen gehören, die in Matthäus 24:49 und 3. Johannes 10 erwähnt werden. Sicher würde sich Satan sehr freuen, wenn er uns so weit bekäme.
    Unsere Gegner versuchen immer wieder, den Gedanken zu verbreiten, wir würden irgendwelche geheimen Operationen durchführen und würden die Verkündiger in Unwissenheit halten. Diese Vorwürfe sind wahrscheinlich schon so alt wie das Christentum selbst. Nur das heute moderne Medien benutzt werden. Dadurch verurteilen wir diese Medien nicht generell, was schon daran zu sehen ist, daß das Hauptbüro und einige Zweige eigene Web-Sites unterhalten. Allerdings sind die Warnungen nicht unberechtigt, denn durch das Internet kann man auch leicht an das Gedankengut Abgefallener gelangen, wovor uns die Bibel ausdrücklich warnt (2. Johannes 8-11).
    Insbesondere in den intellektuellen Kreisen der Gesellschaft gilt es als chic, prinzipiell alles anzuzweifeln und überall schlechte Motive zu vermuten. Wie schade wäre es, würde man diesen destruktiv- kritischen Geist auch auf Gottes Volk übertragen. Paulus sagte, die Liebe „glaubt alles“ (1. Korinther 13:7) . Damit ist keine Leichtgläubigkeit gemeint, sondern ein positives Vertrauen auf Jehova, seine Wort und seine Organisation. Natürlich ist Jehovas irdische Organisation nicht vollkommen. Sie war es nicht im ersten Jahrhundert und auch nicht zur Zeit der Richter und Könige Israels. Dennoch wurden die gesegnet, die ihr Vertrauen in die Führung durch die von Gott eingesetzten Männer setzten.
    Ein Beispiel hierfür ist die Rebellion von Absalom. Er schmähte den von Gott gesalbten König David, wenn er zu Personen, die mit einem Rechtsfall zum König kommen wollten, sagte: „Siehe, Deine Sachen sind gut und gerade; aber da ist keiner von der Seite des Königs, der Dir Gehör schenkt“ (2. Samuel 15:3). Vielleicht führte er sogar Beispiele an, in denen anscheinend jemandem Unrecht widerfahren war. Doch Jehova segnete nicht diejenigen, die Absalom glaubten, sondern diejenigen, die zu David hielten, der von Gott eingesetzt war und der offensichtlich Jehovas Segen hatte. Bestimmt wollen wir das Beispiel Ittais nachahmen, der fest zu Jehovas Gesalbten hielt. (2. Samuel 15:21).
    Wir hoffen, daß Dir diese Ausführungen eine Hilfe sind. In dem Vertrauen, daß Jehova uns allen Kraft zum Ausharren geben wird, senden wir unserer herzlichen Grüße.
    Deine Brüder
    Religionsgemeinschaft der Zeugen Jehovas

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    Sorry! Because I am a lazy person I copied/pasted the English text from Brooklyn headquarters. The official quote of the Brooklyn text starts with "Our purpose for registering with the Department of Public Information as a
    nongovernmental organization (NGO) in 1991 was to blablablba

    Sorry again!

  • slipnslidemaster
    slipnslidemaster

    Wow.

    I just can't believe these people.

    Slipnslidemaster:"The average person thinks he isn't."
    - Father Larry Lorenzoni

  • DazedAndConfused
    DazedAndConfused

    They sure do have short term memory don't they? In the October 1, 1986 Watchtower on page 20 and paragraph 20 they stated:

    "In God's Word, the course of the League of Nations and its successor, The United Nations, is likened to that of "a scarlet-colored wild beast" having seven heads (representing the world powers from which it originates) and ten horns (standing for the governmental powers that now support it)."

    ...

    "Upon its back there rides a woman, "Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth."

    ...

    "She commits spiritual harlotry by getting involved in politics. Religions linking up with the UN in the worlds campaign for peace and security is an example of this."

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    They seem to keep sticking to the point that since they are not a Governmental Organization but just an NGO, (Non Governmental Orgaization) that they are not "linked" to the UN. What I just quoted from the words of the Watchtower, they are in the same situation as these other religious organizations that they have put down so many times for their "linking up" with the UN. My contention is......if these Religions can only do what they are doing as an NGO (which is the case because they are non-Governmental) how can the JW's do the same thing and try to use their round robin wording to get out of admitting they are doing the same thing?

  • sf
    sf

    "We had been using the library for many-years prior
    to 1991,..."

    Hahaha, you don't say.

    Effin' hypocrites!

    sKally

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw
    Still, the Criteria for Association of NGOs-at least in their latest version-contain language that we cannot subscribe to. When we realized this, we immediately withdrew our registration. We are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention."

    Recent changes eh!!!!

    Well lets find out what the 1994 DPI Brochure on NGOs had to say about the criteria ......

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    So back in 1994 the WTS had to PROVE THEIR SUPPORT TO THE UN!!!

    And of course had to support the ideals (or goals) of the UN Charter.

    Gee, and what about that pesky annual accreditation form that a corporate officer had to sign .....

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    Oh and in case you think an "opposer" is making it up why not contact the UN's Dag Hammarskjöld Library at http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/ for information on our products and services. There you will find a link to the reference librian and she will fax you the 1994 DPI brochure.

    hawk

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    I think what's new in this reaction is the creating of guilt in the letter writer: you are making us sad, you are not thankful because we taught you "truth" and now you don't believe us

  • fodeja
    fodeja
    I think what's new in this reaction is the creating of guilt in the letter writer: you are making us sad, you are not thankful because we taught you "truth" and now you don't believe us.

    New? The Watchtower has an inexhaustible supply of guilt trips, and that's the only thing they give away for free ;-) Seriously, I think the fact that someone took the time to write more than a copied and pasted response may be a sign that Selters has not gotten a lot of written enquiries so far.

    f.

  • Moxy
    Moxy

    yes yes, the statements from brooklyn have been rehashed in detail. the german comments tho are interesting. in fact, i would say that the slters branch has continuously impressed me with their openness, moreso than brooklyn. note that they do not pass off the brooklyn letter as their own words, but state clearly that this is what we got from brooklyn, here it is. then they comment on different matters, at least trying to give a balanced view on media and the net. you may not agree, but i dont think you would get a response like this from brooklyn proper.

    mox

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    roflmao, must be really embarrassing to all these other branches that
    headquarters has never trusted them enough to tell them whats going on, how insulting to their intelligence that theyre continuing to be treated like mushrooms and fobbed off with lame excuses, if it was all so honest, so open and above board they'd already know all about this

    nelly

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