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  • winnower
    winnower

    In a recent post, Journey-on had some very very interesting observations. I am taking them a little deeper.

    Journey on said: I think they WILL go sort of mainstream if they see the slow leak has turned into a full blown rupture....but it will happen gradually and over time. It is very apparent that you have given this a lot of deep thought. You are very alert and intuitive. I think you are absolutely correct. The mainstreaming will happen gradually, yes, just as you said, but in a sense "speeded up". Some changes will come soooo fast and there will be so many changes from week to week, that the JWs heads will spin like Linda Blair . There will be no time to "think" about the changes as there will be so many new ideas implemented all at once. (This has all been elaborately planned. It is not happenstance.) The new changes will be a relief and a joy. Why? Because these changes will be preached as "sharing the table", "preparing for the marriage supper" and "bringing in the Paradise". JWs will be ecstatic! These themes will also serve as a great distraction because the world will be in great chaos and economic upheaval during this time. J.O said: Most JWs don't pay that much attention to the incremental changes preceding the major ones. I am sure you have learned from your years of involvement, and even now in hindsight, see more clearly how the operation of distraction works. Those changes are quietly "slipped in" without fanfare while undue attention is focused on something trivial. The Tower is very skilled at this sleight-of-hand deception. Your observations are valid. J.O.said: mega KHs will be erected, complete with Youth centers, and Programs for Children. I think volunteer participation in certain types of ministries, such as some type of field service calls, visiting the sick and poor, assisting the elderly and infirm, etc. will be implemented. I think you are right on the money here. This is one aspect where they will give an "appearance" of mainstream. These programs are right in line with agendas that are being set forth by the United Nations and all the other organizations such as world church councils, etc. etc. It is all for appearances sake to show a "unified" front. All religions will have these programs. It will be homogenized and sanctioned by UN affiliate programs. J.O.said: The COs, DOs, and some exceptional POs will be provided specialized training that will lead to certification in marriage and family counseling,mental and psychological health issues. The certification will allow each (incorporated) mega hall to be insured against liability. They will still have to follow "Mother" as far as the basic doctrinal beliefs go, but will have a certain amount of autonomy to ensure their status as a separate legal entity. You are very astute in your observations. You are seeing a lot of what is to come. Why, if you had no conscience, you could even be on their team! Your ideas of reform are so on target! The certified people may come from other "denominations" as the tower will not spend the money to put anyone through training. They may send out some of their head honchos to train some r and f for minor positions. But accredited documentation will be the order of the day for anyone with rank. J.O. said: Most JWs cling to only three core beliefs that they feel truly set JWs apart as having the Truth: 1) Jesus is God's son sent to earth....He is not God Himself; 2) No hell fire where you burn forever for your sins; 3) No Trinity doctrine; 4) No immortal soul that goes to heaven for the earthly class. They await in death for a resurrection to a paradise earth.. As long as they believe JWs are the only ones teaching these, they will cling fast to the "Truth". Ahhh, but what if christendom itself begins to morph and accept these principles taught by the tower? It has already begun. Eventually JWs will take the credit for having helped to shape the world in "accepting these truths". Already the churches of christendom are/have been phasing out the steeples, the cross, and the other icons. I could show you many churches that no longer use steeples. Look around you. Search images. You will see that all these things have already taken place. There is much talk now of the "emerging church"...singular. One body; one church. There is a new umbrella encompassing all of the protestant churches now. If you go to google images and search "catalyst, catalyst church, catalyst church logos" you might find a few surprises....like this church logo.... Catalyst :: How fun!  The Pickle has landed! Don't you think it's rather eerie to see the watchtower in the foreground? And the two red crosses which are on the seal of the Knights Templar ? (what does the phrase "double cross" mean to you?) Christendom will be gradually moving away from their "rapture" theory to embrace the paradise earth. Even now, the christian churches are moving away from the idea of a "personal rapture" (where those who think they are special to god are lifted to heaven out from among the chaos of tribulation) to a new meaning of "rapture" . They will soon tell the parishioners that "rapture" means the "raising" of the church itself by renewal in thinking. No one is "going" anywhere. The new earth is right here being directed from the "heavens". Actually, this is no more than the agenda of the UN one world united to restore the earth. (They have no intention of ever really accomplishing this. It is just a story put to the people to convince them of their altruistic motives. Once the people are convinced they can make world unity/world peace a reality, those misguided people will be slaves to the entity behind all of this.) Unity must be restored in order to bring peace. Unity will bring everyone together for a common effort; the goal-- to save the planet. And religious and political differences must go in order to achieve that unity. It will be preached from the scripture that "this is the new earth coming down from heaven", as in being directed from heaven. Like, from god's mouth to the ears of the FDS. In actuality, this will be the word "coming down" from the Sons-of-God nephilim. They are deceivers. They are the ones who have planned these things for many years and are now bringing it all to fruition. In christendom the leaders are currently beginning to establish a "neutral ground" for all religions. Buzz words like "all paths lead to god". "All wisdom comes from the same source." One of the aspects of this neutrality is no more proselytizing. No dominant religion. Even your major protestant divisions are now establishing new churches and getting away from the labels of "lutheran", "methodist", etc. They are under the umbrella of denomination still, at this point, but the names of the church institutions are changing as are the creeds and the beliefs. Soon, they will all look the same. Uniformity. Bee-hive mentality. The JWs will gradually give up field work as the neutral ground becomes more established. All these years the JWs thought they were the only ones who studied the same lesson world wide each week. How many times was it said "we are all on the same page". Go anywhere in the world and the lesson will be the same that week whether its Africa or the UK? Well, other churches have been doing the very same thing on an international scale for quite sometime. But being involved in the WTS, many constituents have not noticed this because they have been no part of "christendom". Back to your basic truths... While some protestant organizations have taught that Jesus is god...that faulty logic within christendom is surfacing. (Just like the faulty logic of watchtower is surfacing for many of you here.) The "jesus is God" and the "trinity" misconception is gradually being done away with in the world of christendom. Jesus is going to have to ride in the back seat. Why even the tower has further demoted him by now simply adding him in as an extra in the 144,000. Soon, Jesus will be left out. That is why those who go along with these new world teachings will be called the "anti-christ". It's not that they are against Christ, they just will no longer recognize him as being anyone too important or special. J.O. said: No hell fire. Christianity comes to terms with that also.There will probably be a pit for burning the bodies of the dead who have not taken the "mark". They will be viewed as "opposers" to the new Paradise Kingdom. This is the Great Deception because this "paradise" is to be brought about by man's effort, even though they are being told that it is "being directed from above." This will be a lie and many will believe it. Since these people without the "mark" will be cut off from society, many may die of starvation, crime killings, lack of medical care. Because they have no wherewithal (money, goods) to participate in the new society their bodies will be gathered and dumped. Thus, "the birds will feast on them" and also these designated pits may burn a long time to keep down the spread of disease and contamination. God does not "kill" anyone. We will be "peacefully annihilated" by our fellow man. This direction does not come from above; it comes from behind. It is being directed by an element behind the UN. It's direction is ultimate power and control, with the agenda of de-population of objectors and the rest will be slaves to those powers until they become a burden or unnecessary. Shunning will be re-vamped, and "the godly hate" will be preached; thus making shunning more personal in nature rather than dictated by an organization. These people who do not go along with establishing this (false) Paradise will be hated and promoted as those who do not love God (because they actually do not bow to the dictates of man and can see through this sham.) J.O.said: Doctrines I think will either be slowly done away with or modified to be conscience decisions and not frowned upon: 1) Celebration of birthdays and holidays 2) Voting 3) Blood Transfusions 4) Door-to-door preaching Journey-on, I am so glad that you are seeing so much of what is to come. This is very accurate. The celebration of holidays will definitely change. Celebration will still occur, but the type of holidays will be new. They will be "global holidays" and will begin to phase out the old standards like xmas. Some new holidays have already become established, but will gain in popularity. They are called UN recognized holidays and include "earth day" "world environment day" "world maritime day"...and "all saints day" for halloween! I am sure there will be more to come. The door-to-door will be totally done away with. I expect this within a year or so. Voting will be a thing of the past. Offices will be "appointed" and will adhere to specific credentials for the job. The way things are now, any joe blow can run for a city , county, gov office with only the qualifications of popularity, money, connections. In other words....we got into a lot of this mess by allowing people with no brains and no heart to take positions of leadership. Blood transfusions... Each sect or "denomination" will hold onto little nuances that are specific to its creed. That's why the "neutrality" aspect will be enforced in major areas of doctrine. There will be so much else going on during that time that I am sure some of these things will no longer be the focus or cause an issue.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    Winnower...thank you for words about my recent post concerning changes I see coming to the WTS. As I said in my

    post, they are speculation only and based on my longtime affiliation with them, knowing their m.o., and my own intuition. I could only speak to

    what I know and feel in relation to the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    The other information you presented is not familiar to me. A brief google search of the Kingdom Catalyst gave me the

    impression it is a close associate of Businesses Without Borders and their agenda is somewhat confusing to me.

    Thank you for the information, however, because I find it intriguing and will look at it closer later. One thing that you

    mentioned that I have not noticed is Christendom's withdrawal from the standard doctrines of the Trinity and Christ as God.

    Your presentation sounded a little conspiritorial to me, and I sometimes shun away from such ideology, but because of

    the interesting way you have presented it, I will look into your recommended reading further.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts
    Christendom will be gradually moving away from their "rapture" theory to embrace the paradise earth.

    I can't agree with this comment. Paradise earth is a very unsatisfactory concept. It means we die and wait for how long in a non-existent state in the grave. It only works for JWs because they think the end is almost here, and that they will not die. Heaven is far more comforting, you die, but your soul - you - continue eternally, in a better place.

    Paradise earth is also quite illogical in terms of modern science. The earth will end, there is no two ways about it. To prevent the end of our solar system God would have to completely re-write the rules of the universe.

  • Quandary
    Quandary

    Winnower-

    Your statements are made with absolute conviction. Do you have a reliable source from the "inside" who is confirming these future changes?

    Q

  • S3RAPH1M
    S3RAPH1M

    This is speculation, but it is worth attention.

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  • yknot
    yknot

    This is an interesting thread.

    I couldn't find a knights templar double cross can you provide a photo or link. (my knights templar knowledge is very limited and frankly I conjure up only "Kingdom of Heaven" in my mind at this time)

    The theories you present would take many decades perhaps more then a century to achieve and would have to include a morphing of more individual countries into Unions (Amero-yuk), then unifying the unions into larger unions until total unity comes........and while I prefer your rendition I can't help but wonder who is your king of the North? (((man sometime that JW line of thinking just won't go away)))) and what in your opinion will be the position of the Israeli state? The two witnesses?.....

    Thanks in advance for answering.

    Yknot.....

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I have been steadfast at disagreeing with those that think the Washtowel Slaveholdery is actually going to go mainstream. Instead, they will put out changes that tighten up things even worse, and then word them to make people think it is a step toward going mainstream. As long as they maintain strict control of information, there is no way they are truly going to be mainstream.

    As for holidays, it is speculation. And I will add my speculation that they are going to clamp down even harder on dissidents and go even more hardline. They might change the wording to make it look like they softened up, but in fact they did nothing of the sort. They want the witlesses out in field circus all the time, putting all their money in the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund, and getting into debt to pay for their current expenses. That way, the Washtowel Slaveholdery will walk away with the money they can then use to bribe the governments (and sue any dissidents out of existence) into starting the Second Dark Ages.

  • Meeting Junkie No More
    Meeting Junkie No More

    Winnower:

    My head's starting to spin just reading your post! Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting....

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    I think you folks who think the WTS is going to get COs and DOs certified in marriage counseling and provide rec. centers for childre, etc., are all dreaming. That kind of mentality would take generations to develop.

    The WTS leadership is stuck in the Rutherford/Knorr mold, and the young bucks being groomed by Jaracz are all specially trained hatchet "yes" men. Heck, the society won't even help out their OWN members in natural disasters. It is outrageous to think they would spend a penny on sensitivity and counseling training.

    Remember, the society has suffered several major schisms in its history, and lost up to 80% of its membership in two of them. They still survived with the hard core braindead dubs who wouldn't leave under any circumstances.

    The best thing I could expect from them is that they will give the APPEARANCE of being mainstream. (With the WTS, it's about how they LOOK to others, not about what they ARE.) They will still remain a cult that does everything possible to not look like one. In that respect, they are just like the Mormons.

    Farkel

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