viv, atheists who only want to see suffering in moral terms have had their say
First, you are saying this as if I get a "turn" and you get to decide when it's over. That's not reality. You've no ability to determine when anyone has had their "say".
Suffering does not always require moralizing. Why can't we see suffering in terms of good and and bad.
That's exactly what we are talking about. You are saying there is value in suffering, some sort of good. Child rape is suffering, therefore you are claiming there is value in child rape, or a child having leukemia or drowning in a tsunami.
That is a disgusting view.
Child rape is very bad and victims need to be heard. Perpetrators need to be brought to justice. I have said this all along.
Yet you claim there is value in it.
But shifting the terms of this discussion does not mean that I think child rape is good or even neutral but it means that we can ask if anything of value can even come out of something so horrendous. many victims can say yes.
Oh, no, dear. No. You're attempting to equate and conflate how people choose to react to a bad thing happening with your claim that there is value in the bad thing itself. Those are distinct and separate items.
You have not backed off of your claim that there is value in suffering. Child rape is suffering, therefore you claim there is value in child rape.
parents who suffer for their children - ie. up all night with a crying baby
That's not suffering unless the parents have the same disgusting and morally deranged view of the world that you do and are hurting the baby because they think suffering has value.
the tsunami has been mentioned. The story of how an entire family survived after clinging to life was truly heroic.
It's also utterly irrelevant to your view that child rape has value.