The United Nations, the Scarlet Colored Beast and the Watchtower

by jgnat 15 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    This week, the Watchtower Society set about vilifying the United Nations as the Scarlet Colored Beast. I learned from the Revelation book, chapter 34, that it was Knorr who started the trend with his public talk in 1942. The Revelation book suggests that the League of Nations and then the United Nations that followed, are direct fulfillments of the prophecy in Revelation 17:8. Here's an excerpt from the book:

    "The UN is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of God's Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jeus Christ - to whose princely rule there will be no end. (Isaiah 9:6,7) ..."Their names hve not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world."...Obviously, God's scroll of life will never contain the names of die-hard adherents of Babylon the Great or any who continue to worship the wild beast. - Exodus 32:33; Psalm 86:8-10; John 17:3; Revelation 16:2; 17:5."

    Pretty harsh words for supporters of the UN and it's goals. It is saying that any supporter of Christendom, or the United Nations, is slated for death. Even though the Watchtower Society quite happily associated as an NGO for many years. Even though the United Nations consistently supports the right to worship and preach for religious groups such as the Watchtower Society. The society has one rule, it seems, for the rank and file, and another set of rules for them.

    The United Nations in particular defend the Jehovah's Witnesses.From the attached United Nations document: http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/51/plenary/a51-542.htm

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07
    "The UN is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of God's Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ"

    So basically, any collective effort by mankind to set up any kind of forum for seeking peace and diplomacy, and the "failure" of the involved nations to instead collectively become Jehovah's Witnesses, must be wrong in God's eyes. We're not even supposed to try, actually, because trying is the same as blaspheming Jehovah. Nice.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Yah. I watch my JW husband sit back and wait for our local municipal government to fail. As if human failure is contingent to prove God superior. Sure, we still have poverty, struggle to house the homeless, and fight petty crime. But at least our roads get cleared of snow and the potholes filled in a fairly timely manner.

    Wouldn't it be better, as God's creation, to build the world to the best it can be? We shouldn't stop filling in the potholes just to prove that God can do it better, should we?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I was wondering, has the society ever come out against the awarders of the Nobel Prize? It's another secular effort to improve the world.

    http://nobelprize.org/

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I just did a quick WT search from 1983 to 2006. Eighteen out of twenty references are quoting Nobel prize winners to support the article's conclusions. Elie Wiesel is a favorite:

    *** w91 4/15 p. 4 Is World Peace on the Horizon? ***

    Nobel prize winner Elie Wiesel once wrote: "From time immemorial, people have talked about peace without achieving it. Do we simply lack enough experience? Though we talk peace, we wage war. Sometimes we even wage war in the name of peace. . . . War may be too much a part of history to be eliminated—ever."

    I see the society is quite happy to quote Nobel Prize winners their snippets of concern over world conditions. Would they similarly encourage their membership to read more about what these great advocates have to say? Would Elie Wiesel advocate the Watchtower "solution" to the world's problems is withdraw from the world altogether and wait for Jehovah to fix it?

    Here are some mildly critical comments on the Nobel Committee. I note that the society is careful to tag the committee with it's national origin, though the committee itself doesn't. www.nobelprize.org

    *** w04 8/1 p. 4 The Search for Good Government ***

    Such proclamations have won the UN praise and admiration from many quarters, as well as the 2001 Nobel Peace Prize. In thus honoring the UN, the Norwegian Nobel Committee stated that "the only negotiable route to global peace and cooperation goes by way of the United Nations."

    *** w95 10/1 p. 3 Fifty Years of Frustrated Efforts ***

    For 50 years the United Nations organization has made notable efforts to bring about world peace and security. Arguably, it may have prevented a third world war, and the wholesale destruction of human life through the use of nuclear bombs has not been repeated. The United Nations has provided millions of children with food and medicine. It has contributed to improved health standards in many countries, providing, among other things, safer drinking water and immunization against dangerous diseases. Millions of refugees have received humanitarian assistance.

    In recognition of its accomplishments, the United Nations organization has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize five times. Yet, the lamentable fact of life is that we still do not live in a world without war.

    *** w91 2/1 p. 10 pars. 1-2 Honor Jehovah—Why and How? ***

    EACH year four Scandinavian institutions award Nobel prizes to those who have ‘conferred the greatest benefit on mankind during the preceding year.’ The prizes are given for achievements in six different fields of endeavor. A Nobel prize is considered by many to be the greatest honor that can be bestowed upon any human.

    2 While there is nothing wrong with according honor to deserving humans, do those bestowing these honors ever give thought to honoring mankind’s greatest Benefactor?

    The society's backhand criticism, comes across as sour grapes. It seems the society refuses to honor the works of men, as if our efforts somehow demean God. Even worse, if we are to apply the conclusion in the book of Revelation, by association and support of the United Nations, the entire Nobel Prize Committee is condemned to eternal death.

  • carla
    carla

    Isn't it something how a jw can claim to your face that 'nobody knows' who will survive and when you show them things straight from their own litter they say we take it the wrong way? We cannot understand the bible without them and we can't understand the wt's or asleeps without going to meetings either. Why print the damn stuff then?

  • DJK
    DJK

    BTTT

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    *** w95 10/1 p. 3 Fifty Years of Frustrated Efforts ***

    For 50 years the United Nations organization has made notable efforts to bring about world peace and security. Arguably, it may have prevented a third world war, and the wholesale destruction of human life through the use of nuclear bombs has not been repeated. The United Nations has provided millions of children with food and medicine. It has contributed to improved health standards in many countries, providing, among other things, safer drinking water and immunization against dangerous diseases. Millions of refugees have received humanitarian assistance.

    In recognition of its accomplishments, the United Nations organization has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize five times. Yet, the lamentable fact of life is that we still do not live in a world without war.

    Yes, out of one side of their mouths they have to admit the good works for mankind of the UN. Yet out of the other it's "from Satan."

    I don't know which article of Awake it was in, perhaps this one, but I do remember reading the one "Exciting things are happening in the UN" that ended by saying "Ask local Witnesses what will be happening in the future" leaving it to the poor rank and file to say the in reality God would see that the UN is destroyed and is the mouthpiece of Satan, etc. Also the one about the "Year of the Volunteer" or a similar heading that extolled the virtues of the UN. All of this, of course, was in line with the mandate for being a NGO of the UN. These articles could clearly be construed as being "pro-UN." Cleverly written on the part of the WTS. One could look at the information in two ways-either supporting or showing the shortcomings of the UN.

    If only this information was known by those sitting in the KHalls today. How craftily the WT has covered up this information. Thanks for keeping this information in the forefront, jgnat.

    By the way, how is your name pronounced?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    You are welcome. I thought it timely, since this is being studied this week.

    You pronounce my online name, JAY-nat. As in the bird.

  • Sarah Smiles
    Sarah Smiles

    Which sin would be considered unforgiving? deliberating misrepresenting Jesus words, or the 14 points to peace?

    Rutherford changed Jesus words to prove his doctrine. In the bible when Jesus said that there will be “wars and report of wars!” that does not point to any certain war. Rutherford quoted that Jesus states, “1914 and report of wars!” He deleted the word wars and placed it with 1914.

    In the book "Jehovah" written by Rutherford. The last chapter claimed that the United Nations was Satan organization, and if you were ready to become baptized one must believe that the Jehovah's Witnesses were God's organization.

    Although, Woodrow Wilson went against the Constitution of the United States, he struggled with finding ways to end the war. He wrote the 14 points to peace. During war time, he threw a bunch of papers out of a plane window so that people would lay down their weapons, it worked. Later, he gathered the nations together and presented the 14 points to peace and security with boardering countries. Later, the 14 points to peace became the foundation for the United Nations.

    Many religions, not just the Jehovah's Witness, thinks that the United Nations symbolically represents the Beast. In the last 2,000 years what organizations would YOU consider Revelations two beasts? Do YOU think that we are in the times spoken in Mathew?

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