"This Generation" of 1914, ended in 1995. When did teaching begin?

by Fatfreek 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • bennyk
    bennyk

    This might prove helpful:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/143844/1.ashx

    The earliest quote I found was in 1930:

    W 01. Nov. 1930, p.332
    Speaking of world happenings since A. D. 1914, Jesus said (and his words apply to
    Christians living since that date) : “When ye see these things come to pass [as prophesied], know ye that the
    kingdom of God is nigh at hand.” (Luke 21: 31) So, inside the lifetime of the present living generation the
    Lord Jesus will put into effect for all mankind the value of his ransom sacrifice which he laid down for all. (Brackets in original)
  • oompa
    oompa

    What totally cracks me up about his whole 1914 piece of $hit idea, is that the world was to end then, 40 years after Jesus' first second coming in 1874! Then, dubs don't know $hit for 20 or 30 years after 1914 about what the hey went wrong...but then..crap...Jesus must have come THEN, and NOT 1874....geeze how could anybody miss either event??? Now dubs don't even know about 1874, an soon they wont know about 1914, as it is almost a thing of the past.

    So you prob want to know when WTBS first started teaching the Gen of 1914 was never going to die out, because Jesus arrived then. I still have not found a definite FIRST use, since WTBS tries to hide anything before 1950.................................oompa

  • Fatfreek
    Fatfreek

    That's a good thread of yours last fall, Bennyk. The first quote there was perhaps from 1911 Studies In the Scriptures Series IV The Battle of Armageddon 672 pages, 1911 edition available in hardcover.

    Len

  • Mary
    Mary

    It's a two part Q&A I think---if I'm reading your question correctly.

    Brother Russell had already earmarked 1914 as the date for Armageddon, as early as 1890:

    The Watchtower January 15, 1892, p.1355
    The date of the close of that ‘battle’ is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874.
    The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1894, p. 1677 We see no reason for changing the figures — nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God’s dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

    Of course when it appeared that they were off, they didn't hesitate to backtrack on 20 years of hype:

    The Watchtower January 1, 1914, p. 5373 As already pointed out, we are by no means confident that this year, 1914, will witness as radical and swift changes of dispensation as we have expected.

    Regarding the length of a 'generation', they originally thought it was 37 years. They got this figure by subtracting the year Jesus died (33 CE) from the destruction of Jerusalem (70 CE). One year after 1951 (1914 + 37) they changed it where a 'generation' was now three score and ten (70 or 80 years). One year after 1994 (1914 +80) (although there were many other false dates inbetween), they changed their definition again.

    Watchtower, July 1, 1951, p. 404 "The length of time is indicated by him when he said, "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matt. 24:34) The actual meaning of these words is, beyondquestion, that which takes a "generation" in the ordinary sense, as at Mark 8:12 and Acts 13:36, or for those who are living at the given period."
    Watchtower 1995 November 1 pp.16-20 A Time to Keep Awake Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah's people have at times speculated about the time when the "great tribulation" would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we "bring a heart of wisdom in," not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we "count our days" in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term "generation" as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.
  • OBVES
    OBVES

    I see mistakes of many ! They try to turn attentiont to the past mistakes of the Watchtower ,not realizing how grave mistakes they make themselves. Now is the time when Daniel 12.4 is being fulfilled and what the Watchtower was teaching at that time was reflecting much lower level of understanding that it has now . But note also if read my posts there must be considered also one extra servant of God as per Luke 9.49-50 that may have also another understanding of the Bible that legitimatizes his independence of the Watchtower and yet that servant having such views is not against that one small united group of servants that was in the ranks of the International Bible Students and that is also among Jehovah's Witnesses. This is God's plan .What the International Bible Students taught was sincere and they taught the way they understood the Bible and it was the best at that time and served the purpose in the right time.

    Christ could have meant the evil generation as a whole that it will not pass away until the very end of the world comes.

    The Bible is the reflection of the infinite mind of God Yahweh and one sentence may contain more truths than one -more explanations than just one. There are various ways to understand the generation Christ was speaking.

    If you insist on the 1914 AD generation it is still alive and well and thousands of people born before 1911 AD are living today and will live in 2011 AD as a year of my next prediction . See here I am talking about 101-year age ! 1910 AD - 2011 AD. A child of 5 years can remember some events far to the very end of life . So ,those who were 5 years old in 1914 AD are the cut-off age.

    The end-time generation can also mean people who will be living in the period 1914 AD - 2011 AD and witness all the signs combined and that would be confirming the above view of the 5-year cutt-off age.

    By no way the generation of 1914 AD shall pass away until all these things will happen .

  • jefferywhat
  • gaiagirl
    gaiagirl

    So, why couldn't holy spirit guide "the organization" to the correct understanding from the beginning, instead of leading them through all the errors? If holy spirit couldn't get it right from the beginning, how can anyone be confident that they have it right at the present time?

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    (Credit goes to all those folks above). "Because there is a great crowd of people of good will today living who will survive the world catastrophe of Armageddon and enter the world of new heavens and new earth without going down into the grave or ever afterward having the need to die and cease to exist. That means that Armageddon is so near at hand it will strike the generation now living." ("You May Survive Armageddon into God's New World," Watchtower Bible & Tract Society: Brooklyn NY, 1955, p.11). Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/762933_scan-10001.jpg.html "We know Armageddon is near for another reason. Jesus said that the generation of people living when the `time of the end' began would not pass away before Armageddon breaks out. When did Jesus say this? When he told us about the many parts of the sign of the `time of the end.' That sign is made up of different happenings. All these happenings must come upon one generation to make up the sign. Since 1914 they have come. What does this mean? Jesus answers: `When you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. Truly 1 say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' (Matthew 24: 33, 34) Many are the people alive since 1914 who will still be living when it is time for Armageddon to begin." ("From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained ," Watchtower Bible & Tract Society: Brooklyn NY, Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/628751_scan-10001.jpg.html *** w52 9/1 p. 543 Questions From Readers ***

    Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. All the events will come within the span of a generation. There are hundreds of millions of persons living now that were living in 1914, and many millions of these persons could yet live a score or more years. Scans: http://www.imagger.com/view/26738_scan-10001.jpg.html http://www.imagger.com/view/489008_scan-10001.jpg.html (Not sure if this is the reference you are looking for) 1943 reference: The Truth Shall Make You Free-p.152 "From Adam's creation to the end of B.C. 1----was 4,028 years From beginning of A.D. 1 to the end of 1943 is----1,943 years Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/851753_scan-10001.jpg.html God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached-p.209 "In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free." In its chapter 11, entitled "The Count of Time," it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13: 20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man's existence into the decade of the 1970's. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/323390_scan-10001.jpg.html The Truth that leads to Eternal Life,1968. Does anyone have a better quality scan? Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/266135_scan-10002.jpg.html W 01. Nov. 1930, p.332
    Speaking of world happenings since A. D. 1914, Jesus said (and his words apply to
    Christians living since that date) : “When ye see these things come to pass [as prophesied], know ye that the
    kingdom of God is nigh at hand.” (Luke 21: 31) So, inside the lifetime of the present living generation the
    Lord Jesus will put into effect for all mankind the value of his ransom sacrifice which he laid down for all. (Brackets in original) Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/806905_scan-10001.jpg.html That's a good thread of yours last fall, Bennyk. The first quote there was perhaps from 1911 Studies In the Scriptures Series IV The Battle of Armageddon 672 pages, 1911 edition available in hardcover. Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/521867_scan-10001.jpg.html The Watchtower January 15, 1892, p.1355
    The date of the close of that ‘battle’ is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/562677_scan-10001.jpg.html The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1894, p. 1677 We see no reason for changing the figures — nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God’s dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/322644_scan-10001.jpg.html The Watchtower January 1, 1914, p. 5373 As already pointed out, we are by no means confident that this year, 1914, will witness as radical and swift changes of dispensation as we have expected. Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/385119_scan-10001.jpg.html Watchtower, July 1, 1951, p. 404 "The length of time is indicated by him when he said, "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matt. 24:34) The actual meaning of these words is, beyondquestion, that which takes a "generation" in the ordinary sense, as at Mark 8:12 and Acts 13:36, or for those who are living at the given period." Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/820836_scan-10001.jpg.html Watchtower 1995 November 1 pp.16-20 A Time to Keep Awake Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah's people have at times speculated about the time when the "great tribulation" would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we "bring a heart of wisdom in," not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we "count our days" in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term "generation" as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics. Scan: http://www.imagger.com/view/759763_scan-10001.jpg.html N. (That Truth Book scan looked hazzy to me. I will see if I can't find a better one).

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