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Questioning Russell's background is gossip, so don't do it
by Robert7 26 Replies latest jw friends
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VM44
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WTWizard
It is only gossip if there is no evidence to back it up. With Russell, there are the court documents and the pyramid grave stone that remains to this day. It is easy to find the pyramid grave stone online with a Google search.
Rutherford is even easier to prove a fake. All you need is the Bible and the doctrines that he invented, nothing more. He banned Christmas in 1927 on specious grounds. All one would have to do is look at Luke 2:10-14 to see Christmas being celebrated in heaven. It mattered not that the date was off. What mattered was that Jesus' birth was being celebrated, as it is being celebrated when we celebrate Christmas. Rutherford took that away, and that was enough to prove him a scam.
And, if one does choose to dig, one could find plenty of information in publicly accessible documents that the person was a liar. He was a judge, indicating that he used corruption to make the religion legal in the United States and elsewhere. Details are as easy as Google to dig up. He smuggled whisky into the country and drank it. He was often drunk, despite that the Bible is blatantly against drunkenness (and he is setting doctrine that people are going to live and die by while drunk). That is easy to prove by a quick search on Rutherford or Joseph Rutherford.
That talk is simply a means of telling people to accept the official reasoning and not dispute it. They can then make it look like Rutherford was finding truths that were not previously accessible, and making new integrations while the truth is that all he wanted was control. The official line is that he put the puzzle pieces together and realized that military alternative service, Christmas, and the cross were wrong and corrected the permission of doing those things. And they don't want people to use independent sources, which are easy to find online, to dispute it.
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VM44
He was a judge,
Yes, he filled in for the real judge several times for a total of FOUR days! and on some days there were no cases!
I judge that The Judge exaggerated his experience somewhat!
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AK - Jeff
It is only gossip if there is no evidence to back it up.
Not true, actually, to be technical. Here is the definition. There is no reference to the truthfullness or evidence needed.
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gos·sip
/ 'g?s?p / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation [ gos-uhp ] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -siped or -sipped, -sip·ing or -sip·ping. –noun 1. idle talk or rumor, esp. about the personal or private affairs of others: the endless gossip about Hollywood stars. 2. light, familiar talk or writing. 3. Also, gos·sip·er, gos·sip·per. a person given to tattling or idle talk. 4. Chiefly British Dialect . a godparent. 5. Archaic . a friend, esp. a woman. –verb (used without object)
6. to talk idly, esp. about the affairs of others; go about tattling. –verb (used with object)
7. Chiefly British Dialect . to stand godparent to. 8. Archaic . to repeat like a gossip.
[Origin: bef. 1050; ME gossib, godsib(be), OE godsibb, orig. godparent, equiv. to god God + sibb related; see sib 1]
—Related forms gos·sip·ing·ly, adverb
—Synonyms 1 . small talk, hearsay, palaver, chitchat. Gossip, scandal apply to idle talk and newsmongering about the affairs of others. Gossip is light chat or talk: to trade gossip about the neighbors. Scandal is rumor or general talk that is damaging to reputation; it is usually more or less malicious: The town never lived down the election scandal. 3 . chatterer, talker, gabbler, rumormonger. 6 . chatter, prattle, prate, palaver.
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n.- Rumor or talk of a personal, sensational, or intimate nature.
- A person who habitually spreads intimate or private rumors or facts.
- Trivial, chatty talk or writing.
- A close friend or companion.
- Chiefly British A godparent.
intr.v. gos·siped, gos·sip·ing, gos·sips
To engage in or spread gossip.
[Middle English godsib, gossip , godparent, from Old English godsibb : god , god; see god + sibb , kinsman; see s(w)e- in Indo-European roots.]
gos'sip·er n., gos'sip·ry n., gos'sip·y adj.Synonyms: These verbs mean to engage in or communicate idle, indiscreet talk: gossiping about the neighbors; can't keep a secret—he always blabs; is disliked for tattling on mischief-makers.
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gossip
O.E. godsibb "godparent," from God + sibb "relative" (see sibling). Extended in M.E. to "any familiar acquaintance" (1362), especially to woman friends invited to attend a birth, later to "anyone engaging in familiar or idle talk" (1566). Sense extended 1811 to "trifling talk, groundless rumor." The verb meaning "to talk idly about the affairs of others" is from 1627.Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper WordNet - Cite This Source - Share This
gossip noun 1. light informal conversation for social occasions 2. a report (often malicious) about the behavior of other people; "the divorce caused much gossip" 3. a person given to gossiping and divulging personal information about others verb 1. wag one's tongue; speak about others and reveal secrets or intimacies; "She won't dish the dirt" [syn: dish the dirt ] 2. talk socially without exchanging too much information; "the men were sitting in the cafe and shooting the breeze" -
Homerovah the Almighty
I think they are just worried about people investigating this fanciful opportunist on the net and then realizing the whole foundation of the organization
was developed on weak speculation and commercial ideals.
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Robert7
By dropping small seeds, that this info is 'false', or 'accusations', and to avoid it, it subconsciously trains people to have that knee-jerk reaction to put up that wall and not even think about it.
Why would "The Truth" have anything to hide? -
