IF JW'S COULD VOTE...

by writetoknow 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • sooner7nc
    sooner7nc

    (AP) New York City Feb. 6th, 2008

    The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society today announced it's candidate for the upcoming presidential election, Mr. Theodore "The Hammer" Jaracz. Mr. Jaracz,103, has announced that he will be running on a platform of pro-life, pro-field service, anti-war, pro-war, and pro-pedophilia. He has selected as his campaign slogan "No child left unmolested". A member of the local "Bethel family" who spoke on condition of anonimity said "This is a very exciting time for all of us, as new light has come forth that this is the prophetical fulfillment of some scripture or other". Stocks in janitorial companies rose sharply at the news of Jaracz announcement.

    I feel so lucky to live in a country like this.

  • writetoknow
    writetoknow

    When you think about it, it really is a dichotomy! Conservative-socialist-totaltarian; against war and indiviual rights, one world government, against freedom of belief,, no interfaith and if you didn't vote their way would you be disfellowshipped?

  • sooner7nc
    sooner7nc

    As much apathy as you find in the JW's, I'm willing to bet that the voter turnout would be very low.

  • Olin Moyles Ghost
    Olin Moyles Ghost

    If JWs voted as a bloc (like the Mormons do--did you see that Romney won 90% of the Republican vote in Utah?), they would have some clout. For example, if the JWs in Florida had voted for Gore in 2000, no recount would have been necessary. There may never have been a "President George W. Bush." Think about that for a minute...

    In my experience, the whole "political neutrality" meme is bogus. Lots of witnesses--at least ones that I know--have strong political views. Of course, it may take a few beers to get it out of them, but they have opinions. Of course, it's not uncommon for one to say--after bashing Bush for 30 minutes: "well, that's why we need God's kingdom."

  • TresHappy
    TresHappy

    What a great question, never thought about it....I haven't decided who to vote for...but it won't be Hillary!

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586
    The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society today announced it's candidate for the upcoming presidential election, Mr. Theodore "The Hammer" Jaracz. Mr. Jaracz,103, has announced that he will be running on a platform of pro-life, pro-field service, anti-war, pro-war, and pro-pedophilia. He has selected as his campaign slogan "No child left unmolested". A member of the local "Bethel family" who spoke on condition of anonimity said "This is a very exciting time for all of us, as new light has come forth that this is the prophetical fulfillment of some scripture or other". Stocks in janitorial companies rose sharply at the news of Jaracz announcement.

    Major LOLZ.....

    You WIN, sir!

  • writetoknow
    writetoknow

    Well don't you find it interest their such a mix bag of views none of the parties really support their views. So conservative when it comes to moral issues and yet so liberal when it comes to taking away personal choice.

    For a one world government with no choice and against national patriotism. Against individual rights yet fighting for religious rights.

    I think it would be impossible for them to support any party because they would lose control over the masses thinking.

    I love the justification "if" the witness were to come togather for war they would have the greatest fighting forces on earth. Now it's "if" they could vote they would change the elections. Well, if the door to door work is how they reach everyone on earth with their "life and death" messages - then world in trouble!

    It's like we are the happiest people on earth slogan. Now that's super brainwashing to believe such a fantasy! Let alone their self-brainwashing regarding the door to door work. Does anyone remember the effort it took to drag the elders away from the donut shop on field service morning or the justification not to go to the door?

  • onesong
    onesong

    What most people don't know--JW's especially, is that they CAN vote!

    I came across this article just before I left and it caused quite a stir as I pointed it out.(I thank Dismembered for digging it up)

    The Watchtower, June 15th 1999 Issue, Page 30:
    Questions From Readers
    How do Jehovah’s Witnesses view voting?
    ...As for Jehovah’s Witnesses, they do not interfere with the right of others to vote; neither do they in any way campaign against political elections. They respect and cooperate with the authorities who are duly elected in such elections. (Romans 13:1-7) As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State. (Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16)
    ...those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.
    [...]
    In view of the Scriptural principles outlined above, in many lands Jehovah’s Witnesses make a personal decision not to vote in political elections, and their freedom to make that decision is supported by the law of the land. What, though, if the law requires citizens to vote? In such a case, each Witness is responsible to make a conscientious, Bible-based decision about how to handle the situation. If someone decides to go to the polling booth, that is his decision. What he does in the polling booth is between him and his Creator. The November 15, 1950, issue of The Watchtower, on pages 445 and 446, said: “Where Caesar makes it compulsory for citizens to vote . . . [Witnesses] can go to the polls and enter the voting booths. It is here that they are called upon to mark the ballot or write in what they stand for. The voters do what they will with their ballots. So here in the presence of God is where his witnesses must act in harmony with his commandments and in accordance with their faith. It is not our responsibility to instruct them what to do with the ballot.”
    What if a Christian woman’s unbelieving husband insists that she present herself to vote? Well, she is subject to her husband, just as Christians are subject to the superior authorities. (Ephesians 5:22; 1 Peter 2:13-17) If she obeys her husband and goes to the polling booth, that is her personal decision. No one should criticize her.--Compare Romans 14:4.
    What of a country where voting is not mandated by law but feelings run high against those who do not go to the voting booth--perhaps they are exposed to physical danger? Or what if individuals, while not legally obliged to vote, are severely penalized in some way if they do not go to the polling booth? In these and similar situations, a Christian has to make his own decision. “Each one will carry his own load."--Galatians 6:5.
    There may be people who are stumbled when they observe that during an election in their country, some Witnesses of Jehovah go to the polling booth and others do not. They may say, ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses are not consistent.’ People should recognize, though, that in matters of individual conscience such as this, each Christian has to make his own decision before Jehovah God.--Romans 14:12.
    Whatever personal decisions Jehovah’s Witnesses make in the face of different situations, they take care to preserve their Christian neutrality and freeness of speech.

  • inkling
    inkling
    What most people don't know--JW's especially, is that they CAN vote!

    here's the problem... Let me highlight what the article ACTUALLY WANTS to say... The real intended message:

    How do Jehovah’s Witnesses view voting?

    There are clear principles set out in the Bible that enable servants of God to take a proper view of this matter. However, there appears to be no principle against the practice of voting itself. For example, there is no reason why a board of directors should not take a vote in order to arrive at decisions affecting their corporation. Congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses often make decisions about meeting times and the use of congregation funds by voting with a show of hands.

    What, though, of voting in political elections? Of course, in some democratic lands, as many as 50 percent of the population do not turn out to vote on election day. As for Jehovah’s Witnesses, they do not interfere with the right of others to vote; neither do they in any way campaign against political elections. They respect and cooperate with the authorities who are duly elected in such elections. (Romans 13:1-7) As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State. (Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16) In making this personal decision, the Witnesses consider a number of factors.

    First, Jesus Christ said of his followers: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.” (John 17:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses take this principle seriously. Being “no part of the world,” they are neutral in the political affairs of the world.—John 18:36.

    Second, the apostle Paul referred to himself as an “ambassador” representing Christ to the people of his day. (Ephesians 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:20) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ Jesus is now the enthroned King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, and they, like ambassadors, must announce this to the nations. (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 11:15) Ambassadors are expected to be neutral and not to interfere in the internal affairs of the countries to which they are sent. As representatives of God’s heavenly Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel a similar obligation not to interfere in the politics of the countries where they reside.

    A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.

    Fourth, Jehovah’s Witnesses greatly value their Christian unity. (Colossians 3:14) When religions get involved in politics, the result is often division among their members. In imitation of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoid becoming involved in politics and thus maintain their Christian unity.—Matthew 12:25; John 6:15; 18:36, 37.

    Fifth and finally, their keeping out of politics gives Jehovah’s Witnesses freeness of speech to approach people of all political persuasions with the important message of the Kingdom.—Hebrews 10:35.

    In view of the Scriptural principles outlined above, in many lands Jehovah’s Witnesses make a personal decision not to vote in political elections, and their freedom to make that decision is supported by the law of the land. What, though, if the law requires citizens to vote? In such a case, each Witness is responsible to make a conscientious, Bible-based decision about how to handle the situation. If someone decides to go to the polling booth, that is his decision. What he does in the polling booth is between him and his Creator.

    The November 15, 1950, issue of The Watchtower, on pages 445 and 446, said: “Where Caesar makes it compulsory for citizens to vote . . . [Witnesses] can go to the polls and enter the voting booths. It is here that they are called upon to mark the ballot or write in what they stand for. The voters do what they will with their ballots. So here in the presence of God is where his witnesses must act in harmony with his commandments and in accordance with their faith. It is not our responsibility to instruct them what to do with the ballot.”

    What if a Christian woman’s unbelieving husband insists that she present herself to vote? Well, she is subject to her husband, just as Christians are subject to the superior authorities. (Ephesians 5:22; 1 Peter 2:13-17) If she obeys her husband and goes to the polling booth, that is her personal decision. No one should criticize her.—Compare Romans 14:4.

    What of a country where voting is not mandated by law but feelings run high against those who do not go to the voting booth—perhaps they are exposed to physical danger? Or what if individuals, while not legally obliged to vote, are severely penalized in some way if they do not go to the polling booth? In these and similar situations, a Christian has to make his own decision. “Each one will carry his own load.”—Galatians 6:5.

    There may be people who are stumbled when they observe that during an election in their country, some Witnesses of Jehovah go to the polling booth and others do not. They may say, ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses are not consistent.’ People should recognize, though, that in matters of individual conscience such as this, each Christian has to make his own decision before Jehovah God.—Romans 14:12.

    Whatever personal decisions Jehovah’s Witnesses make in the face of different situations, they take care to preserve their Christian neutrality and freeness of speech. In all things, they rely on Jehovah God to strengthen them, give them wisdom, and help them avoid compromising their faith in any way. Thus they show confidence in the words of the psalmist: “You are my crag and my stronghold; and for the sake of your name you will lead me and conduct me.”—Psalm 31:3.

    I think it is clear what they actually want JW's to do. For legal reasons they cannot actually be
    straight forward, but I have a feeling the elders could "read between the lines" and DF you for
    a "related" offense, like perhaps "lack of neutrality."

    It's doublespeak at it's finest. Please be careful.

    [inkling]

  • writetoknow
    writetoknow

    Thank you for posting the second artical regarding voting. The first artical gives the impression that JW's are reasonable and open to letting their members vote nothing could be further from the truth.

    Anyone associated and member of the org knows what would happen if they were caught voting! Witnesses always present articals to look reasonable as if giving a choice to it's members and to protect themselves from lawsuits, but everyone in good standing knows the real policy and what will happen if they break them.

    For the public and for the group!

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