So who was God using?

by ozziepost 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  ozziepost

  I know this may not be anything new to some, but it may be helpful to consider this:

  The Witnesses claim that God has always had an Organisation or a 'mouthpiece' on earth i.e. He has always dealt with his people through an organisation of some sort, much like a F & DS is taught today by the WTS.

  OK, that's nothing new, but consider this: If Jesus in 1919 selected the "Bible Students™" from amongst all on earth to be His channel, then it begs the question, Who was "the channel" before 1919?

  If it were not the early WTS, then who was it? Surely not Christendom!!!

  Yet that is the 'official' answer that Mrs Ozzie received from the Australia Branch when, as a querying dub, she raised that question. Yep, folks, they 'say' that in fact it was Christendom, or more precisely, the Roman Catholic Church which was still His channel. They can't say anything else, for they blindly accept the Bible canon without ever giving a thought to who was responsible for selecting the books of the Bible canon. After all, it certainly wasn't Chuck Russell or Joe Ratherflawed !

  These anomalies, nay contradictions, seem to be comprehensively ignored when the modern WTS speaks of the Bible canon on its website:

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  Lesson 1
  How You Can Find Out What God Requires

  	What important information is contained in the Bible? (1)
  	Who is the Bible's author? (2)
  	Why should you study the Bible? (3)

  1. The Bible is a precious gift from God. It is like a letter from a loving father to his children. It tells us the truth about God—who he is and what he stands for. It explains how to cope with problems and how to find true happiness. The Bible alone tells us what we must do to please God.— Psalm 1:1-3 ; Isaiah 48:17, 18 .

  2. The Bible was written by some 40 different men over a period of 1,600 years, beginning in 1513 B.C.E. It is made up of 66 little books. Those who wrote the Bible were inspired by God. They wrote his thoughts, not their own. So God in heaven, not any human on earth, is the Author of the Bible.— 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 ; 2 Peter 1:20, 21 .

  3. God made sure that the Bible was accurately copied and preserved. More Bibles have been printed than any other book. Not everyone will be happy to see you studying the Bible, but do not let that stop you. Your eternal future depends on your getting to know God and doing his will despite any opposition.— Matthew 5:10-12 ; John 17:3 .

  Anyone raised this with your congregation elders? What answer did you get?

  Cheers, Ozzie (freedom lovers class)

  FREEDOM MEANS NOT HAVING TO WEAR A TIE
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  stillajwexelder

  Solid reasoning ozzie. However all they will say is "JAH used the Jewish nation- priesthood - then stopped using them when they put his son to death" then he changed to using the Christian Congregation which morphed into the RC Church for bible cannon etc.

  Then he must have changed and supported the reformers- Tyndale, Martin Luther etc. then he changed again to using the Bible Students
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  AlphaOmega

  Yes... it makes sense...

  From memory, I think that the Studies in the Scriptures series even referred to The Pope and his Bishops as "Michael and his angels"... If that isn't an endorsment of the Catholic Church, I don't know what is.
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  sweetstuff

  I asked an elder this once, years ago and his answer was that God used various "individuals" down through the ages to ensure bibical cannons were accurate but that no organization or church per say was given God's Holy Spirit, just selected individuals, until Jesus elected the WTS as the earthly representation of the kingdom. He would have been better off saying God was on vacation, makes more sense then that convulted theory. Apparently he wasn't up on all his doctrines either.
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  ozziepost

  Apparently he wasn't up on all his doctrines either

  Seems to me......

  that most dubs don't know all the Witness doctrines, even though it's in their publications which they've closely studied (not!)
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  sweetstuff

  that most dubs don't know all the Witness doctrines, even though it's in their publications which they've closely studied (not!)

  They have better things to do, like DF people, gossip about the skirt sister so and so was wearing. That's hard work ya know.
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  Perry

  If it were not the early WTS, then who was it? Surely not Christendom!!!

  It is my understanding that ole' Freddie Franz was baptized in a church before 1919 and was never re-baptized as a Jehovahs Witness because he felt that his baptism in Christendom was still valid.
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  JCanon

  OK, that's nothing new, but consider this: If Jesus in 1919 selected the "Bible Students™" from amongst all on earth to be His channel, then it begs the question, Who was "the channel" before 1919?

  There would be a period of 2300 evenings and mornings when there would be no recognized "temple" organization, that is no true religion in the earth. But the temple would be in "its right condition" after the 2300 evenings and mornings. Basically this is in reference to Easter replacing the Passover around 736 AD. A period of "time, times and half time" of clear apostasy is noted which makes up the last 1260 years ending in 1996. The 2300 evenings and mornings are broken down into 1150 days, which is the first 1150 years of the 1260 years ending in 1996. So thus basically for 110 years from 1886 to 1996 there would be a representative organization again, and that was the Bible Students, etc.

  Main point being that the Bible does say there would be a time when there was no "channel", though that's stretching the purpose of the temple organization. But of note, after 1996 since members are being sealed into the kingdom, the true "channel" now is Jesus Christ himself after his return. The WTS and GB have been kicked out of God's spiritual arrangement and are now considered apostate.

  JCanon
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  minimus

  Ozzie, do you have the branch's answer in writing saying it was the RCC? (I doubt it).
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  minimus

  Oz, maybe they told your wife JCanon's response too, huh?