Distorted Morality-America's War on Terror

by frankiespeakin 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • franzy
    franzy

    who are you

    i think frankie's assessment is quite with chomsky's, wording
    slightly different. to demonstrate the normal hypocrisy,
    chomsky made his nomination for the three most notable acts
    of terrorism in '85. each of them would be denied by most
    "patriots", because it didn't meet our needs to have terrorism
    be defined as something others do to us. these were acts of
    terrorism that we orchestrated and/or carried out, so to use
    another chomskyism, they are "not even part of the discourse".

  • frankiespeakin
  • Who are you?
    Who are you?

    franzy

    I understand Noam's points....

    Maybe this will make sense to you, and maybe it won't....but to me a person can be patriotic, intelligent and agree or disagree with government policy.

    Its kind of like when a person calls someone else liberal intending it to be a total insult. I think you can be liberal, patriotic, and agree or disagree with governmental policy.

    Pretty simple point really.

  • frankiespeakin
  • franzy
    franzy

    hello who are you

    no problem. i agree with your statements.

    personally, tho, i want to be known as a
    world citizen, not a patriot. the view seems
    so much clearer from that vantage point;
    coming from a place of respect for others,
    without the filter of "love of country".

  • Who are you?
    Who are you?
    personally, tho, i want to be known as a
    world citizen, not a patriot. the view seems
    so much clearer from that vantage point;
    coming from a place of respect for others,
    without the filter of "love of country".

    Can't you be both? I mean if you were being a proper citizen of the world, wouldn't you be actively involved as a citizen within your country?

  • franzy
    franzy

    wouldn't you be actively involved as a citizen of your own country?

    a resounding yes. but that doesn't define me as a patriot (one who loves and
    loyally or zealously support's ones own country)....and in fact, i feel the
    need to avoid that distinction in order to be more honest with myself re:
    the reality of my country's hypocrisy...a higher level of patriotism was
    expressed by bush sr. a few years ago, "i never apologize for my country,
    right or wrong".

  • frankiespeakin
  • barry
    barry

    Gopher,

  • barry
    barry

    Gopher, you said one mans freedom fighter isanother mans terrorist,

    While this statement is sometimes true with what we are dealing with Islamo fasist terrorism we are dealing with an enemy that swill not negotiate with in fact there is no way we could call a cease fire with Bin Laden he beleives this war will go on until the day of judgement. If we were all to become Muslims there still would be no let up in hostilities and bin laden would continue with war on muslims he considers to be apostate.

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