Gun Control Works...

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  • read good books
    read good books

    Information used here was copied from an article by Richard Poe-"Don't Blame Liberals for Gun Control.'

    Turkey established gun control in 1911.

    *From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    The Sovied Union established gun control in 1929.

    *From 1929 to 1953 20 million political dissenters, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    Germany established gun control in 1938.

    *From 1939 to 1945 13 million jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Socialists, homosexuals, trade unionists, disabled and mentally ill

    people, and other "mongolized peoples," unable to defend themselves were rounded up and were exterminated.

    Cambodia established gun control in 1956.

    *From 1975 to 1977 1 million "educated people." unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Guatamala also established gun control in 1964.

    * From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

    In favor of Gun Control-Hitler (for the Jews), and Stalin

    Against Gun Control-Mahatma Gandhi-"Among the misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving of a

    whole nation of it's arms as the blackest."-Mahatma Gandhi.

    Genocide is only possible with Gun Control.

    Fact-The U.S. government just passed the most comphrensive Gun Control legislation in the U.S. (in the House) ever.

    Oh an added thought during the American Revolution the Patriots brought their own guns. Good thing for our Republic they had some.

  • neverendingjourney
    neverendingjourney

    I'm so glad that so many American's own handguns and rifles. Thanks to that we'll be able to stop the United States military from committing genocide against us when they chase us down with their F-15s, tanks, and nuclear weapons. Thanks for the post. I now feel much more secure now.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    That may work in fascist states but in democratic states having liberal gun laws is pointless as for example in Britain nothing evil happened no government abused the population and many lives were saved. In the USA the gun culture leads to tens of thousands of deaths each year.

  • read good books
    read good books

    Don't say nothing bad has happened in Britain since gun control. Right now Tony Blair wants to take away your internet rights and give you a restricted internet like the CHINEESE MODEL. GULP. AND The British people did not want to enter the European Union, for good reason but their cramming it down your throat as we speak and you will loose many personal rights and rights in your own court system. GASP YOU BRITS NEED TO GET YOUR GUNS BACK! God save us if they get our guns in the U.S. God save us.

    Well actually in Britain when guns were taken away crime went up. Home break ins went up, even car theft went up. Ditto for Australia. The Australian police killed the real Crockadile Dundee, the guy who was the model for the movie character, when he refused to surrender his guns. By contrast in a small city in Georgia (I havel forgotten name) when they passed a law requring citizens to carry guns crime went down over 90 per cent.

  • 5go
    5go

    Germany established gun control in 1938.

    *From 1939 to 1945 13 million jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Socialists, homosexuals, trade unionists, disabled and mentally ill

    Actualy that is wrong they were bound under the treaty that ended WW1 to forbid gun ownership.

  • 5go
    5go
    That may work in fascist states but in democratic states having liberal gun laws is pointless as for example in Britain nothing evil happened no government abused the population and many lives were saved.

    Did British Gun Control Work?

    Iain Murray
    Saturday, June 23, 2001

    WASHINGTON – When we read about children carrying weapons, of course we worry. Their inexperience and naiveté can lead them to do stupid things, with tragic consequences. Therefore, it is only natural that one response should be to push for more restrictions, to make it more difficult for children to get access to weapons. If it works for children, why shouldn't it work for adults?

    If we want to stop criminals carrying guns, for instance, wouldn't the best way be to restrict everyone's access to them? One of the best ways of checking hypotheses like these is to look at actual tests of the theories.

    The test lab in this case is Britain, which enacted strict gun control laws five years ago following an especially tragic school shooting. But the results so far are not good.

    Americans were shocked when the Josephson Institute of Ethics revealed data in April that showed that 14 percent of all high school students and 21 percent of all boys had carried a weapon to school at least once in the past year.

    Addressing these findings, a representative for Handgun Control told Time.com, "The least we can do is keep guns out of kids' hands." That's exactly what Britain's strict gun laws aim to do.

    But according to a survey for the British government's Youth Justice Board released last week, fully 26 percent of high school-age students there have carried a weapon for aggressive or defensive purposes in the last year.

    Unfortunately, neither survey broke down the results by weapon type (although 17 percent of the British children admitted carrying a knife). But worryingly, among British "excluded" students (those who had been suspended or expelled from school), a staggering 23 percent claimed to have had access to a gun in the last year.

    This is in a country where it is virtually impossible to get access to a gun legally. Some commentators have suggested that part of the reason that the current outbreak of foot and mouth disease spread so rapidly there was because veterinarians could not shoot infected animals on the spot because they are forbidden to carry pistols.

    Yet we have evidence that almost one-fourth of the children who need the most help in avoiding taking the wrong path have access to firearms. Strict gun laws don't seem to be helping them much.

    Nor are they helping hold down crime in general. The recent International Crime Victimization Survey, which provides a good indication of overall crime levels around the world, shows that, while crime fell dramatically during the 1990s in the United States and most of the rest of the world, it has remained steady in Britain and Australia (which also enacted a gun ban during the late 1990s).

    Meanwhile, gun crimes in Britain are increasing. According to London's authoritative Sunday Times, the number of firearm offenses in Britain increased almost 40 percent from 4,903 in 1997 to 6,843 in 2000. These are still small figures in comparison to the United States, but the trend is the opposite of what might be expected.

    It does not seem that Britain can be said to be a safer place as a result of the gun ban. The police there have traditionally gone unarmed, but the number of incidents in which police officers have had guns issued to them in recognition of potential danger increased from about 6,000 in 1994-95 to over 12,000 in 1997-8.

    With such incidents come the inevitable mistakes: British police recently shot dead a drug dealer in his own bedroom. He was both unarmed and naked at the time.

    Nor has strict control had much effect on the number of guns available to criminals. British police estimate that there are nearly 300,000 illegal guns in circulation there - one for every 200 people.

    To put that figure in perspective, the leading U.S. authority on gun numbers, Gary Kleck of Florida State University, estimates that only 180,000 guns are used in crimes in the United States each year.

    So despite the strict gun control laws, there are more than enough illegally held guns in Britain to allow gun crime there to reach U.S. proportions.

    These figures speak for themselves. Britain enacted strict gun control laws and has achieved a rise in gun crime, a decline in safety and a position where access to firearms among delinquent children seems commonplace.

    These are valuable lessons in this experience for other countries, including the United States.

    If the United States enacts strict gun laws nationwide, the American people cannot expect to see a swift drop in crime or to see our police able to do their jobs with less risk. Most of all, they cannot expect such laws to free delinquent children from the seduction of the gun.

    (Iain Murray, a British citizen, specializes in criminal justice issues at STATS B, the Statistical Assessment Service, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy organization. He is the author of the Encyclopaedia Britannica's article on gun control statistics.)

  • rwagoner
    rwagoner

    Gun control is a tight shot grouping on your target.

    RandyW - of the proudly a member of the legally armed, concealed weapon permit holders class.

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo
    Right now Tony Blair wants to take away your internet rights and give you a restricted internet like the CHINEESE MODEL. GULP

    Is that the real reason why Simon moved to Canada?

    But according to a survey for the British government's Youth Justice Board released last week, fully 26 percent of high school-age students there have carried a weapon for aggressive or defensive purposes in the last year.

    Unfortunately, neither survey broke down the results by weapon type (although 17 percent of the British children admitted carrying a knife) .

    I wouldn't take this as an indicator of a trend - I always carried a knife when I was at high school (my age to the left is correct!) and a little beyond - from age 14 to 20, so did a lot of my friends - knives/screwdrivers are the easiest weapons to get hold of and we had a lot of gang warfare going on. It's always been so. What does seem worrying is that whereas the knives were a last resort for my generation, today's youngsters seem more ready to use them as a first resort. We have an angry and heading out of control society here, I heard someone once predict that we will have anarchy and martial law by 2010, I hope they're wrong.

    (sorry I can't get rid of the highlighter!!)

  • read good books
    read good books

    neverendingjourney if they do come after us with tanks and nukes I would rather have a guns to shoot back at them then wave a hanky and surrender so they can put me in one of those FEMA camps. Guns beat sling shots and pocket knives.

    5go- Hitler pushed a law in 1938 that forbid Jewish children to have guns or work in a gun shop, I believe that added to the 1928 German law prohibiting Jews from having guns. I never read that Hitler cared whether the German people have guns, they loved Hitler for the most part, thats why he could ride around in an open car and give speeches out in the open public. You don't see our Presidents doing that today. If the Jews had been allowed to have guns one of them would probably have popped Hitler and history would have been changed, and I am sure thats why he didn't want them to have guns. That is my whole point about guns.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    Against Gun Control-Mahatma Gandhi-"Among the misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving of a

    whole nation of it's arms as the blackest."-Mahatma Gandhi

    Great quote... thanks.

    I'm for my own control of my own guns..... during the L.A. riots after the Rodney King fiasco those who were able to protect themselves (with guns) were not looted, mobbed, or harmed.... the police were too busy to protect us, we had to protect ourselves.... and that was for three days!

    D.E.

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