Just finished seeing Michael Moore's SiCKO

by Jourles 82 Replies latest social entertainment

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug
    I would have liked to have learned more about what other countries (i.e. Canada, UK, France) pay in taxes to cover the cost of the universal healthcare. Or what the Americans that lived in France -- what their income is. I would have also like to see more statistics about poverty and homeless individuals in those countries -- just to put it into perspective for me.

    All interesting questions, but I do think that MM gave the most important perspective in his 113 minute film, which I would summarize as:

    A) if "they" can do it (especially a tiny, embargoed nation like Cuba), we can do it.

    B) It's the right thing to do, beyond dispute.

    C) Doing the right thing actually cost less, much less, on a per capita basis.

    D) How cool is it to see Doctors in action who are primarily focused on your particular health problem and solving it, not pressures from HMO executives or drug companies.

    E) It's the right thing to do, beyond dispute.

  • 5go
    5go

    F) It's the right thing to do, beyond dispute.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Zyprexa-Victims this is my page on the greed of big pharma

  • Purza
    Purza

    Wow -- I didn't think my post would be noticed, but thanks for the info.

    Here is my deal -- I work for a local government agency and I have excellent medical benefits. Never had any major illness, but a few surgeries and nothing was ever denied. I pay a small out of pocket co-pay and that is it. I never really thought about insurance companies denying claims and like. Boy, am I living in a dream world.

    We are going to eventually hit that point of no return and HAVE to do something. I don't know if this movie will do anything about it, but maybe it will start more people thinking about it and trying to make a change. I just don't know how we are going to get there. I know I would willing tax myself more in order to have universal health care.

    Purza

  • Uzzah
    Uzzah

    Personal income tax rates for Ontario residents are progressive. The combined federal and Ontario rates range up from 28 to about 46 per cent, with the top marginal rate applying to taxable incomes over C$100,000.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Having paid into the Ontario tax system for most of my life - I can compare the 2 systems as far as dollars go. It costs us more in the USA overall despite the taxes being higher in Ontario - because of the cost of our health insurance. In Ontario, you don't have to pay a percentage whenever you go to the doctor - here each time you go, you hand over the cash - often up front before you even get in so that they are assured of their money. In Ontario, you can walk into any hospital anywhere and show your health card and get treated just like the next guy standing next to you - thats far more equitable and removes the stigma from those who might be poorer than someone else. Everyone is equal to receiving the basics of health care. Not so in the USA. There is a stigma toward those who are poor and use a facility that is 'state run' or 'public'. Some great articles from investigation pieces in the NY magazines over the years that attest to this.

    One other thing that drives me nuts is that in Ontario, once you are an adult, you are allowed vision exams once every other year unless necessary more than that. In the USA, I have to pay out 125.00 for an exam and that only lasts me 3 months. Contact lens prescriptions that I always had through my optometrist were reasonable and ongoing but prescriptions here are limited for 1 year and then you must go back and get another exam and repay. Glasses are for 2 years and then you have to pay for the exam all over again. $$$$$$$$ sammieswife.

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    I am extremely concerned about my health insurance future. As many of you know, I have recently gone through both a divorce and breast cancer treatments. I had excellent insurance coverage for my medical care and still do -- that is, I do until May of 2008, when I am no longer eligible for said fantastic coverage because I will have come to the end of COBRA transition period. Here's how the U.S. lack of a national health care system is affecting me:

    I had been out of the workforce for over 20 years and had only a high school diploma at the time of my divorce. Fortunately, I had started to attend college with a view of earning a degree a few years prior to the divorce. So I was at least on my way to future self-sufficiency when my diagnosis arrived a month after I learned my ex- was cheating on me.

    Many of you have applauded me for carrying on in my studies despite having to undergo chemo, Herceptin, and radiation treatments. Really, I had no choice in the matter (although I concede having schoolwork to concentrate upon left me less time to be morose and too self-involved). My COBRA would run out 3 years from the finalization of my divorce. I wanted to become a teacher -- a 5 year degree. I have just about killed myself for the past two semesters so that I will graduate in May of 2008. If I did not have the insurance gun pointed at my head, so to speak, I would have taken another year to accomplish my goals. (I am also working part-time.)

    Presently, I pay a little over $4,200. per year for health insurance that includes dental and vision. Just about what those nchc stats said was right for a single person. Once May of 2008 arrives, I will have to find someone to insure a cancer survivor. I have heard that I can expect my premiums to at least double. I am hoping that I will be able to have some basic coverage through the university until I get my first job. Because there are strong teacher's unions in my state and in the US in general, I will be able to get decent coverage once I land a job in the public schools. From my research, I will again be fortunate, because the coverage offered through the union(s) does NOT exclude preexisting medical conditons. I will be fortunate, but my career options will still be limited -- I will not be able to work in any industry or private school that can only offer insurance coverage which excludes preexisting medical conditions.

    I am blessed, because I have VERY generous spousal support, and I can afford to pay my $4200, yearly premiums (although it IS a big chunk out of my income), If I were a person with a financially less successful ex-spouse, I would be struggling big-time. I am already taking loans to defray my educational costs.

    Things are tight enough that when I learned I had a lump on my liver this past January, I debated getting the MRI (knowing it would cost me approximately $275 out of pocket) that would definitely rule out metastitization of the breast cancer. All of my other bloodwork and even the opinion of the CT Scan interpreter said it was likely benign, so I was inclined to let things be. My children, however, wanted peace of mind -- no niggling doubts AT ALL -- and so I finally went for the test in March or April... Everything is okay, but if someone at my financial comfort level is postponing potentially lifesaving medical tests because of their costs, something is wrong.

    I, too, have lived in Ontario, Canada and in the United States. I experienced the Canadian system (and the high taxes) for 7 years. I have not one complaint about the services received by myself or other loved ones -- and I delivered my son at Etobicoke General -- during our stay. We had some emergency room runs, I had some Witness-related blood issues, and just general pre-natal issues that were addressed professionally and in a timely manner. I had therapy for a wrenched back. The only thing I did not like was that I needed a referral for a pediatric specialist -- I could not choose my own. But that happens daily in the US unless one has top of the line insurance coverage, correct?

    I, for one, would gladly pay twice what I am in health insurance premiums, if I could be assured that not only myself, but my children, my ex- (who also has a pre-existing health condition now), and my neighbors would not have to ever lose their homes or businesses due to catastrophic illness, or their lives, due to lack of coverage. It is a grave failing of the supposedly greatest First World Nation, that people are turned away in such an uncivilized manner, because they have no health insurance.

    Some more interesting stats can be found here:

    http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p60-231.pdf

    Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States 2005 (issued 8/06)

    Sorry, I can't link, because I have a mac now and Simon's many options are not available to me

    out

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Hi Outnfree. Thanks for the input.

    The specialist thing was no big deal to me. I had some neurological issues at one time and my doctor made me an appointment with the specialist he chose - I didn't have a problem with that at all. I went to the appointment and couldn't stand the specialist - was very dissatisfied, so I went back to my doctor right afterward and voiced my complaint. His immediate response was to ask me if I would like to see a different specialist - he was quite willing at that point to call up and make me another appointment with another specialist. I declined as I felt the report was accurate - it was the man I didn't like - I found his manner disturbing. So if people aren't satisifed with the service, they can ask for another referral or specifiy a doctor if they have one in mind and your doctor will often honor the request if its genuine. I find the wait time in either place to be the same - I booked a doctor here and it took me a week and a half to get into the office which was sometimes the same as Ontario - although I must admit, I had the same doctor there for 20 years so there were times I would call up and they'd tell me to get there in 10 minutes and they'd squeeze me in...that doctor also made a housecall to me when I was running a really high fever and the same doctor made housecalls to my mother as part of his routine. We couldn't complain that's for sure. sammieswife.

  • Kaethra
    Kaethra

    I haven't seen Sicko yet but I'm looking forward to it! (It's playing at one of our oldest theatres here in Nova Scotia if anyone wants to drive that far. haha)

    I get a kick out of Americans with private Health insurance who rail against anything smacking of socialism. Insurance, whether its public or private, works only when a bunch of people contribute a little so that a few can get their needs met.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24
    socialism

    I'm grinning here because it was major culture shock for me. Born and raised in Ontario, I never heard people rant using words like socialism or communism and suddenly I'm listening to right wing radio stations who seem to continually scream dire warnings against socialism or communism or the French....lol. It both amazed and frightened me - just because I wasn't used to it. My husband born and raised in the US, had never given it a thought until I started asking him why such a tirade and then he had to stop and think about it before he could explain it. We've had some interesting discussions though. sammieswife.

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