Just finished seeing Michael Moore's SiCKO

by Jourles 82 Replies latest social entertainment

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    Ahem...for those who use Bit Torrent. Download the torrent here.

  • Mary
    Mary
    The doctors don't really make all that much, maybe $100,000 to $200,000 and they work long hours and are on call alot.

    Like hell they do. The average American doctor makes A LOT more than that per year. That's why Canadian doctors were headed over to the States for alot of years. If they were making $200,000/year here, they could make over $1,000,000 in the States. It's great for the doctor, but someone's got to foot the bill, and it falls on the backs of the working class to pay the astronomical fees that these guys charge.

  • SWALKER
    SWALKER
    Then again if nobody got sick and died young, where would we put all those people?? Perhaps its another angle of population control?

    Let's try a little birth control first before we just start letting people die...

    Swalker

  • Jourles
    Jourles
    Then again if nobody got sick and died young, where would we put all those people??

    We could just do what the University of Southern California's hospital does --- they send some uninsured patients on a one way taxi trip to skid row and drop them off in front of a homeless shelter without telling them what is going on. They do manage to remove the hospital name from the patient's wristband though before they drop them off on the street... Yes, security camera footage of this happening is also in the film.

  • 5go
    5go

    Like hell they do. The average American doctor makes A LOT more than that per year. That's why Canadian doctors were headed over to the States for alot of years. If they were making $200,000/year here, they could make over $1,000,000 in the States. It's great for the doctor, but someone's got to foot the bill, and it falls on the backs of the working class to pay the astronomical fees that these guys charge.

    Nope not any more than they do in canada

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9F0CE3DA123EF932A05750C0A965958260

    Why do you think it's getting harder to find one in the USA they are literally leaving to go pratice elsewhere.

    Americans believe that doctors and health-care executives make far less than they actually do, according to a poll released today. And people still think the salaries are too high.

    Those in the poll were asked to estimate the income of doctors and executives in hospitals, drug companies and insurance companies.

    The nationwide telephone poll of 1,000 households conducted for Families U.S.A., a foundation working on health-care issues in Washington, found that most people believe that doctors and health-care company executives earn $100,000 to $600,000 a year after expenses, less than half the actual amounts.

    Those surveyed were asked how much they believe doctors make in two of the higher-paid specialty groups, radiology and anesthesiology. They said they believed these specialists made about $100,000 after expenses. In fact, the average income was $230,000 and $221,000 for the two groups. Doctors in private practice, including both specialists and generalists, averaged $191,000 in after-expense income in 1991, according to the American Medical Association. How Much Is Fair?

    When those in the survey were asked how much money would be fair for them to make, they responded with an average of $100,000.

    Asked how much they believe top executives in hospitals make, they answered about $150,000 per year. They said $100,000 per year would be fair. In fact, top hospital executives averaged $235,000 per year in 1991.

    Asked how much insurance company executives make, those in the survey guessed $400,000 per year and said $115,000 per year would be fair. Families U.S.A. listed figures for top executives of 10 insurance companies, ranging from $648,000 to $2,396,000 for 1991.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    The average American doctor makes A LOT more than that per year.
    The doctors don't really make all that much, maybe $100,000 to $200,000 and they work long hours and are on call alot.

    I work for a group of 35 docs, none of which made less than 1/2 million a year last year. And they just voted themselves 15 weeks of vacation. That is almost 4 months!

    The sent our billing over to India, to make more money. Cutting out at least 14 Americans out of jobs. They start other businesses as a group, no telling how much money they make with them.

    We are the peons. I accept and respect the work they did to become doctors. I see docs 10 years younger than me with 15 weeks of holiday and thats what goes all over me.

    We get 15 days a year for vacation and sick days. We lose any bonus pay if we go over those days. So one hour over and if you are a hard worker when you ARE at work, you lose entirely all your bonus.

    I thought working in retail was bad until I got into medical.

    I would also like to add, think of the first thing you are asked before anything else when you go to a md's office or hospitol, clinic of any kind.

    Do you have your insurance card with you?

    So much for really caring about people

    purps

    edited to add: If they have no ins or the wrong ins they will be turned away. Well

    cash of course will work. But the test we do are $1200 to $5500 + and that does not

    include a doctors fee. No one has ever come in with that much cash.

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    What I find amazing ...is when I hear Americans talk about 'how exorbitant taxes will have to be' under Universal Health Care and how they "...aren't willing to pay taxes for others health care".

    The US spends over 1 Billion Dollars a week in Iraq for a long time now. The bill there is over a Trillion $$, yet...taxes have not gone up ! If the US would stop trying to be the World's Policemen...we would have PLENTY of $$$$$$ to spend on the healthcare of our citizens.

    Rabbit

  • Jourles
    Jourles
    Americans talk about 'how exorbitant taxes will have to be' under Universal Health Care and how they "...aren't willing to pay taxes for others health care".

    Hmmm. Could it be.......

    MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

    Don't you know that we need lower taxes because we just put 23" spinner rims on our brand new Hummer2 which is costing us nearly $100 to fill up at the tank and it barely fits in our 4 car heated garage which is attached to our newer 5,000 sq ft home which happens to be in a very prime neighborhood where property taxes are through the roof and the homeowner's association dues are sky high because the illegal Mexicans we hired to do the landscaping we are too lazy to do ourselves are complaining that they could get paid $10 a day more in the next neighborhood across from the country club where our home happens to be located on the 18th hole and our one child cannot attend public schooling because it will look better on his records if he attended that $1500 a month private school which in turn will look even better when we tell him to go to Harvard Law to earn his JD degree which will end up costing us another $400k once he turns 18 and then after he graduates he can buy his own Porsche once he gets hired on at the most prestigious law firm in Boston which will also allow him to buy that little 27ft J class sailboat that he and his other preppy buddies can race around the harbor against other trust fund kiddies whose mommy and daddy own a "small" 10k sq ft "cottage" out on the Cape where they live for only two months out of the year and lock it up for the other 10?

    Yeah. I think as Americans, we have some pretty f**ked up priorities. And to think that the previous paragraph is considered the ultimate "American Dream." Makes me want to hurl.

  • NewTruth
    NewTruth

    Hi Jourles,

    I was there too.. at the 1st showing in Bellaire in the left part of the building. I also was at Lulu's across the street..

    MICHAEL MOORE ROCKS...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mary
    Mary
    The average American doctor makes A LOT more than that per year.
    The doctors don't really make all that much, maybe $100,000 to $200,000 and they work long hours and are on call alot.
    I work for a group of 35 docs, none of which made less than 1/2 million a year last year. And they just voted themselves 15 weeks of vacation. That is almost 4 months!

    Thank you Purplesofa. Anyone who thinks that American doctors only make one - two hundred thou a year is being extremely naive. Last summer I met one of my co-workers' father in law who's a Pediatrician in Chicago. According to her, he made $1,100,000 in 2005. Now unless anyone is crazy enough to believe that his expenses were $1,000,000, I'd say he's making a bit more than $100,000 - $200,000. I know an Anesthesiologist who was originally from Canada and who was "only" making $400,00/year over here. His salary is the States? $2,000,000/yr.

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