The messages are always there (page 2)

brinjen

Great link WT=watchtrouble! Downloaded the pdf, brilliant material!

Brinjen, yeah was a great read! I found it interesting and feel that it has some very valid points. I mentioned my concerns/doubts discreetly to a brother who is a good friend (well I think he is and time will tell) and he made me feel like there was something wrong with me like I was crazy! Don't you hate it how they make you feel like your the stupid crazy one and satan has got to you. Why is it that they make you feel like this - like hello anyone home (I AM NOT CRAZY) these things are true and not in my head. What I really hate is how at one stage I thought that there was something wrong with me having doubts. Oh and the guilt of telling so many people in F/S - gee I if only I knew many years ago. Sorry venting on Purps thread.

BluesBrother

It is not just "hearing the mental tapes" but how one reacts to them that matters. Like it or not, our past has shaped what we are today . Our minds are full of memories and snippets of dialogue, songs and experiences from all sources that can pop up involuntarily at any time.

We may recall a stern school teacher or a naughty child, but we do not worry about it. So... remember but do not let the odd Scripture or WT statement bother us. Let it pass..

nvrgnbk

It happens to all of us purps.

Continue to work to observe reality for what it really is. Shape your life around your cumulative experience.

You'll get better. You'll be ok.

Balsam

I think the longer your out of the WTS (I've been out 6 years) the easier it gets. Those little nagging messages that we had that would replay in our mind gradually go away. The negative ones can be dismissed as just baloney and we can smile to ourselves and rejoice that we are finally free of that mind control. It is only natural that it would take a while to deprogram ourselves. Be patient with yourself and keep reminding yourself that it was all baloney.

purplesofa

WT=watchtrouble

thanks for the link. I do remember reading this article since I came to the board, but was at a different phase of my exit.

I think there is a difference between going up and getting abusive, negative messages and this hypnosis, the article is bringing out. I think it would be interesting to study the difference in what it takes to undo the messages, that come from hypnosis and messages we get from just growing up.

It seems to me that with hypnosis, a person would accept any message, whether it was right or wrong, unreasonable or not. That it would be more difficult to distinguish, a just screwed up message to a hypnotic message.

I have posted before about scripting. Life scripts, individual scripting.......and I understand we can re-write a script........but hypnotic thoughts would just have to be done away with altogether?

I don't know, I am thinking outloud. What is confusing and like I said before is when your thoughts are not automatic and a message comes and you have to process it.

I think BluesBrother comment is what I am referring to.

It is not just "hearing the mental tapes" but how one reacts to them that matters.

My reaction time is slow, not automatic and it does become frustrating.

I know, I think too deep and don't make much sense.

purps

Tatiana

(((((purplesofa)))))

All I can say it that it took years for me to see a bad thunderstorm and not get the shakes. If the sky turned a funny color, I was sure Armageddon was here. Brainwashing is very powerful.

aligot ripounsous

Purps,

inasmuch as I understand your thread, there are two aspects in your question. One is dealing with painful memories of your family life which come back recurrerntly. I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't know how to address that, apart from what common sense and christian (I say christian and not JW) background dictate : time does its task, Jehovah is near to the one who calls out for help.

The second aspect deals with Bible passages which come up back to your mind. I see nothing wrong in that, the Bible belongs to Jehovah (I mean for those who claim to be christians) and not to the WTS. Every christian has had this experience whereby a passage of the Bible comes back to your mind, which seems to bring an answer to a current concern. That's just plain christian culture. Most likely the reason why it comes back is that you thought, in the past, about how appropriate this passage is in such and such occurring problem. I can't see anything wrong in thinking that it can be a way Jehovah uses to imparts His spirit, I wish that will be the case for you.

itsallgoodnow

For me, it's those awful kingdom melodies. They come into my head, out of nowhere. That makes me feel stupid and violated all over again, I just want to slap myself upside the head.

We'd all like to be able to get rid of unwanted memories, but there's no way. And when the teachings flash us back into the abuse of control and betrayal and lies, the pain we experienced, in whatever form, it's tough. It's our past, and we can't do anything to change that. It's part of what makes us who we are now, and we have made so much progress. We have survived it or will survive it and we can be proud of that.

Quentin

It was fifteen years before I came out of the wt fog...then several more before I begain to look at the world without the jw filter...it can be for some slow, step by step....one thing that helped was cutting off all contact with any jw's I knew...an other was going to college...your not crazy Purps...you haven't found what will work for you....it's there, you just have to find it...which is a task unto itself...for some easy, others hard....

Hehhehheh...when you do though, you'll be releived and amused all at once...how did I miss that?...best to you, you can get there...

The messages are always there

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