HELP ME locate the "Heart Transplant" weirdness article in the Watchtower

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  • Terry
    Terry
    79% stated that their personality had not changed at all postoperatively.
    6% (three patients) reported a distinct change of personality due to their new hearts.

    Subjective.

    How do you measure what a person "says" they "feel"? Especially, how do you analyze it without knowing how religious, superstitious or educated they are as a filter?

    Often we experience what we expect to happen instead of what actually happens.

    Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.

    I find this topic sooooo interesting psychologically.

    The Bible fairly reeks with a rather concrete (as opposed to metaphorical) assertion that we think and feel with our blood pumping organ!

    We hear it all our lives. It is conditioning to our sub-conscious.

  • Terry
    Terry
    He went on to study heart transplants and how the background of a new heart could affect its recipient; for example, one man began to yearn for spicy foods and to study Spanish before he knew that his donor had been Hispanic.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and shout BULLSHIT.

    How do we verify what kind of person (New Age? Zen-Buddhist?) is writing this book?

  • Scully
    Scully

    Terry:

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and shout BULLSHIT.

    Agreed!

    However, I thought it quite interesting that it isn't just the WTS of the early 70s that was perpetuating this stuff. The fact that this belief continues to infiltrate itself into our 21st century scientific arena goes to show how desperate some people are to grasp at straws in their quest to "prove" the existence of God or Intelligent Design™.

    I'm sure if you googled the author's name, you'd find out what (if any) his credentials are.

  • dedpoet
    dedpoet
    He went on to study heart transplants and how the background of a new heart could affect its recipient; for example, one man began to yearn for spicy foods and to study Spanish before he knew that his donor had been Hispanic.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and shout BULLSHIT.

    I completely agree, it is bullshit.

    Did the guy who wrote this crap produce any evidence of this "experience", like the guy who had started eating spicy foods and studying Spanish? Or is he a jw, or another kind of religious fanatic himself?

  • M.J.
    M.J.
    However, I thought it quite interesting that it isn't just the WTS of the early 70s that was perpetuating this stuff.

    Where do you think the WTS got it from?

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    I DO recall reading that article and I think it was a study article. I began attending meetings about 1969-1970 and remember that a LOT of what was being discussed....went right over my head.

    Years ago when "Unsolved Mysteries" was on each week, there was a case where a woman was given a heart transplant and her donor was a carefree, funloving mortorcycle driver with a penchant for McDonald's french fries. After her recovery....she absolutely CRAVED (only) McD's fries and went every day to buy them. It turned out that she traced the donor, discovered his outgoing personality and his love of the fries, when talking with his family.

    I'm not saying I personally go along with this idea, but it DID stick in my mind all these years. Whenever I hear of something like this...it comes to mind.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I found this:

    Tuesday, April 11, 2006

    'Cellular Memory' Fails Memory Test

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    After having an argument on a message board about whether Cellular Memory could really exist (see last post), I was offered that the following expert would back up these strange theories of Dr Gary Schwartz. His name is Dr Paul Pearsall and you can see his impressive home page here.

    Paul Pearsall, Ph.D., is a licensed clinical psychoneuroimmunologist. Try saying that drunk.

    Now, the quackometer gives this result to Dr Paul's Home Page: QUACKERY LEVEL 2 and says that faint quacks can be heard.

    Now the quackometer is not always right. And with Paul's CV looking so impressive, maybe I need to see if the quackometer is working right. He is after all Clinical Professor at the Department of Nursing, University of Hawaii at Manoa. And also, "Designated as one of the most influential scientists of the 20th century by Oxford University Biographical Society" according to his web site.

    The thing is, Dr Paul does appear to fully endorse the rather strange "cellular memory" theories of Dr Gary Schwartz and he co-authored an article on the subject, "Organ Transplants and Cellular Memories" in Nexus magazine. Well, that is enough to warrant a bit of digging.

    As always, anyone who so prominantly has to display so many qualifications, positions held and other credentials might be making an 'appeal to authority' and using this to hide rather shaky ideas. I really must find a way to get he quackometer to spot such stuf. For example, anyone who quotes their name as Dr XXXX YYYY PhD is asking to be checked out. One or t'other usually suffices.

    My first two googlings presented a couple of problems. His web site states he has won the "Rush Gold Medal Award from the International Psychiatric Association". So I google "Rush Gold Medal" and Paul Pearsall appears first in the list (after a bit of guff). Is he the only person to have won this medal? Why no International Psychiatric Association endorsement. Obviously, something for me to follow up.

    Next, I looked at: "Designated as one of the most influential scientists of the 20th century by Oxford University Biographical Society". Nothing. So I google "Oxford University Biographical Society". Just our new friend again??? Do the Oxford University Biographical Society not have a web site? Are they so stuck in their mediaeval academic ways that they have no internet presence? Is the only award ever made to our new friend? What about the other "influential scientists of the 20th century". Do they not want to shout about their award too?

    Mr. Earl Bakken also claims the Scripps Clinic Trail Blazer Award for Contributions to Integrative Medicine in the same year as Dr Pearsall. Shall we see a fist fight between them perhaps?

    Dr Pearsall claims that he is "Fully licensed and board certified clinical neuropsychologist, License Number 000773" Even better, the American Board of Clinical Neuropsychology lists all its members and guess what, under 'P' for Pearsall, no-one of that name exists. A pattern is beginning to emerge.

    Here is the lists of academics in the Faculty of Medicine, University of Hawaii at Manoa where he apparently holds a professorship. Looks like another oversight.

    I got bored there. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to check up on everything else.

    So is Dr Pearsall right about the theories of 'cellular memory'?

    Well one thing is sure, as "one of the most requested speakers in the world" is that he is very, very busy. I'm not quite sure how he finds the time to do the basic research on cellular memory. He charges $20,000-30,000 for a lecture, and having done 5000 of them, he must be very busy and very, very wealthy by now. That's over $100,000,000 wealthy just from after-dinner speaking.

    All I can say is that there appears to be some memory problems somewhere, either with Universities from Oxford to Arizona, or with Dr Pearsall. Before more speculation on cellular memory, maybe there ought to be more investigations into Dr Pearsall's cerebral memory.
  • Terry
    Terry

    This too is rather interesting:

    cellular memory

    "The idea that transplanting organs transfers the coding of life experiences is unimaginable."
    --Dr. John Schroeder, Stanford Medical Center

    Cellular memory is the speculative notion that human body cells contain clues to our personalities, tastes and histories, independently of either genetic codes or brain cells. Perhaps the idea for this nonsense began with films such as Brian's Song. In that film, the 26-year old Piccolo (played by James Caan) is dying of cancer when Gayle Sayers (played by Billy Dee Williams), his friend and Chicago Bears teammate, visits him in the hospital. Piccolo had been given a transfusion and he asks Sayers if he had donated any blood. When Sayers says yes, Piccolo remarks that that explains his craving for chitlins.

    Or perhaps the idea originated with L. Ron Hubbard. In Dianetics, he speculated that cellular memory might explain how engrams work.

    Maybe the idea came from Les Mains d'Orlac by Maurice Renard (1875-1939), a story of a concert pianist who loses his hands in an accident and is given the hands of a murderer in a transplant operation. Suddenly, the pianist has an urge to kill. Several variations of Renard's story have made it into film, including Orlacs Hände, a 1935 silent Austrian film, Mad Love (1935), Les Mains D'Orlac (1960), and Hands of a Stranger (1962). A similar story is told by Pierre Boileau and Thomas Narcejac (authors of Vertigo) in et mon tout est un homme (1965), which was made into the film Body Parts in 1991. A prison psychiatrist loses an arm in an accident and is given the arm of an executed psycho-killer. The arm then develops a mind of its own.

    More recently, Claire Sylvia, a heart-lung transplant recipient, explained her sudden craving for beer by noting that her donor was an 18-year old male who died in a motorcycle accident. She's even written a book about it (A Change of Heart), which may be made into a movie starring Sally Field.*Paul Pearsall, Ph.D., a psychologist and author of The Pleasure Prescription and The Heart's Code,also casts his vote for the theory of cellular memory and transfer. Pearsall goes much further in his speculations, however, claiming that "the heart has a coded subtle knowledge connecting us to everything and everyone around us. That aggregate knowledge is our spirit and soul. . . .The heart is a sentient, thinking, feeling, communicating organ." He claims "donated cells remained energetically and nonlocally connected with their donor." How he knows this is anybody's guess. It may have been channeled to him from aliens or wise persons from the East. Or perhaps he has been reading the fiction of Edna Buchanan, who asks: "What if the soul is contained in DNA? What if DNA is contained in the soul?"

    Sylvia Browne teaches a course for an alternative education program in Sacramento entitled Healing Your Body, Mind & Soul. In one two-hour session Ms. Browne will teach anyone "how to directly access the genetic code within each cell, manipulate that code and reprogram the body to a state of normalcy." Despite the preposterous nature of her claims, the course sold out.

    Dr. Larry Dossey doesn't accept the cellular memory explanation for Sylvia's sudden craving for beer. He thinks that the most likely explanation "is that the consciousness of the donor had fundamentally united with the consciousness of the recipient enabling the recipient to gain information from the donor." Perhaps, he mused, organ recipients enter into a realm of consciousness where information about another person can be accessed through the Universal Mind.* Perhaps. Perhaps not.

    James Van Praagh, on the other hand, is quoted by Sylvia as saying: "Donated organs often come from young people who were killed in car or motorcycle accidents, and who died quickly. Because their spirits often feel they haven't completed their time on earth, they sometimes attach themselves to another person. There may be things that your donor hadn't completed in the physical world, which his spirit still wanted to experience."* James gets his information from the spirit world. Unfortunately, we earthbound empiricists don't have the metaphysical antennae to validate his fantasies.

    Dr. Candace Pert, a professor in the department of physiology and biophysics at Georgetown University, believes "the mind is not just in the brain, but also exists throughout the body." Dr. Pert is an expert in peptide pharmacology. "The mind and body communicate with each other through chemicals known as peptides," she claims. "These peptides are found in the brain as well as in the stomach, muscles and all of our major organs. I believe that memory can be accessed anywhere in the peptide/receptor network. For instance, a memory associated with food may be linked to the pancreas or liver, and such associations can be transplanted from one person to another."* The evidence for these claims has yet to be produced. I especially await the evidence for the holographic mind that exists throughout the body. How does she know that it doesn't extend beyond the body? Perhaps it goes all the way out to Larry Dossey's Universal Mind. In any case, Dr. Pert doesn't explain why we don't seem to be affected by the memories of the animals we eat. Perhaps their peptides get destroyed by cooking.

    Attilio D’Alberto has found that he can easily reconcile traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), cellular memory, and quantum physics into one holistic metaphysical hodgepodge. You've got your yin organs and your yang organs, your E=mc 2 , your sympathetic magic (each organ has an associated emotion, spirit, planet, etc.), your quantum level of subatomic particles and frozen energy fields with their different frequencies, ad nauseam. "If a heart is transplanted, the memory at the cellular level and at the spiritual level, the Shen, will be moved with the donated organ." We'll have to take his word for it.

    Gary Schwartz, the guru of gullibility who validates psychics for fun and profit,* claims he has 70 cases where he believes transplant recipients have inherited the traits of their donors. He believes this because the "stories are compelling and consistent."* They might not be so compelling to a critical mind, however. He also believes he understands the mechanism by which cellular memory works:

    When the organ is placed in the recipient, the information and energy stored in the organ is passed on to the recipient. The theory applies to any organ that has cells that are interconnected. They could be kidneys, liver and even muscles.

    How he knows this is a mystery, however. We can assume, though, that the answer lies somewhere in quantum quackery .

    Maybe our ancestors were right. Eating the heart of one's enemy might give you his courage. Eating brains might make you smarter. Maybe the promoters of TCM are right: eating seal penises can restore erectile function.* But what if you eat too much chicken? Might you grow a beak, start clucking uncontrollably, and develop a craving for seeds? Are those squealing and mooing sounds you hear in the night your diabetic neighbors who are using porcine and bovine insulin? Pity the poor child who received a baboon's heart.

    Seriously, an organ transplant is a life-altering experience, literally. It might well be compared to the near-death experience since transplants are done only if death is imminent. It should not be surprising to find that many transplant recipients change significantly. Some of these changes might easily be interpreted as being consistent with the donor's likes and dislikes or behaviors. Recipients would want to know about their donor and might consciously or unconsciously be influenced by stories about the person who now "lives inside them."

    Collecting stories to validate a hypothesis is a risky business. Stories of transplant recipients that don't seem to exhibit memories from their donor don't prove that they aren't there but those stories are selected out anyway. Stories that do seem to exhibit donor memories don't prove cellular memory but collecting a bunch of them could lead one to see a pattern that isn't really there. Collecting such stories may simply prove that the researcher is good at confirming his or her bias. The validation process becomes more complicated when one considers that many organ recipients will give in to magical thinking and "feel" the presence of the deceased donor within them. The recipient's subjective validation may be driven by a desire to prove the belief or to please the donor's family, the doctor, or a medical attendant who may encourage the belief. Furthermore, now that the idea of cellular memory is being promoted in books and on television (the Discovery Health Channel, for example), there will be a problem of making sure that stories aren't contaminated.

    Science should be moving us forward, bringing about a better understanding of how phenomena work. Scientists like Gary Schwartz and Paul Pearsall introduce mysticism and magical thinking into the mix, which is very attractive to many New Age healers because it supports their spiritual leanings. However, such thinking does not advance science; it takes it back to an earlier time, a time when the world was dominated by magical powers. It dresses that world in scientific-sounding jargon about energies and quantum physics, but it does little to convince the scientific community at large that it has anything to show for its research except smoke, mirrors, and self-deception.

    Here is what Jeff Punch, M.D., has to say about cellular memory:

    There are several possible logical explanations for why people might assume characteristics of their donors: Side effects of transplant medications may make people feel weird and different from before the transplant. For example, prednisone makes people hungry:

    The recipient of an organ transplant develops a love of pastry and finds out the person that donated their organ loved pastry as well. They think there is a connection, but really it is just the prednisone making their body crave sweets.

    It could also be pure coincidence:

    The patient watches a TV show while recovering from a transplant that shows older adults rollerblading and decides that it looks like fun, but doesn't make a conscious decision to do anything about it because they are still recovering from the transplant. Months later they are shopping and they see rollerblades and decide to give it a try since it was something they were incapable of doing for heath reasons before the transplant. They like it and get good at it. Later they find out that the donor was a young person that liked to rollerblade. It is easy to understand how the patient and family might believe that the new organ had something to do with Mom's new-found love of rollerblading. In actuality, the only thing the new organ gave her was the health to try rollerblades. The idea came from a TV show she forgot she ever saw.

    A transplant is a profound experience and the human mind is very suggestible. Medically speaking, there is no evidence that these reports are anything more than fantasy.

    Fantasy, however, is the engine that drives New Age scientists like Gary Schwartz.

  • Clam
    Clam

    I remember that Watchtower article well. At the time of course I was completely taken in.

    Some time ago we had a news item here in England about a Croatian lumberjack called Stjepan Lizacic, who had had a kidney transplant, the donor being a woman. Apparently he had become quite effeminate as a result and was suing his health authority. I never ascertained if it was a real story or a spoof.

    Clam

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