this week's bible reading leviticus chap 19 - 21 - my opening remarks

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  • user100

    so.. some asshole visits another asshole but a mob erupts and wants to rape the visiting asshole.. the host asshole offers his daughter and the visiting asshole's concubine to appease the mob.

    sure enough.. the concubine ends up gang raped and murdered. In the morning the visiting asshole loads her up on his donkey, takes her home, dismembers her body into 12 pieces and sends it to all the tribes to incite war.

    so an army of 22,000 is formed, some prick goes and asks Jehovah if they should go and destroy the gang raping mob.. and Jehovah says 'Yes.. Do it.'

    They go to fight and loose all 22,000 die. Then they form another army of 18,000 and again asks Jehovah if they should go to war.. and again Jehovah says 'yes... you should'

    They go and loose again!!! but then they go one more time with jehovah's permission and they win!!

    moral of the story according to Jehovah's Witnesses: Sometimes Jehovah tests to see how far you will persevere in begging him to get things done. Another comment was.. homosexuality is so bad that the host asshole would give up his daughter rather than having some dude get raped.. Im sure the visiting asshole was guilty of something. doesnt justify the violence of the mob.. but funny to see how the entire congregation just accept this BS.

  • 88JM

    I think you mean Judges 19 - 21.

    irondork did a good explanation of why a comparison with this account helps explain what the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was - rape is mainly about control, not sex:

  • blondie

    In this account the concubine had been unfaithful to her owner, but he had forgiven her rather than turn her over to a system that said she should die.


    19 In those days, when there was no king in Israel,+ a Levite who was then living in a remote part of the mountainous region of E′phra·im+ took a concubine from Beth′le·hem+ in Judah as his wife. 2 But his concubine was unfaithful to him, and she left him to go to her father’s house at Beth′le·hem in Judah. She remained there for four months. 3 Then her husband went after her to persuade her to come back; he had his male attendant and a couple of donkeys with him. So she brought him into her father’s house. When her father saw him, he was glad to meet him. 4 So his father-in-law, the young woman’s father, convinced him to stay with him three days; and they would eat and drink, and he would spend the night there.

    5 On the fourth day, when they got up early in the morning to go, the father of the young woman said to his son-in-law: “Eat something to give you strength,* and then you may go.” 6 So they sat down, and they both ate and drank together; after that the father of the young woman said to the man: “Please, stay overnight and enjoy yourself.”* 7 When the man rose to go, his father-in-law kept begging him, so he stayed overnight again.

    8 When he got up early in the morning on the fifth day to go, the father of the young woman said: “Please, eat something to give you strength.”* And they lingered until it was late in the day, and they both kept eating. 9 When the man rose to go with his concubine and his attendant, his father-in-law, the young woman’s father, said to him: “Look, now! It is almost evening. Please, stay overnight. Here the day is coming to an end. Stay here overnight and enjoy yourself. Tomorrow you can get up early for your journey and go to your home.”* 10 However, the man did not want to stay another night, so he got up and traveled as far as Je′bus, that is, Jerusalem.+ He had with him the two saddled donkeys, his concubine, and his attendant.

    11 When they were close to Je′bus, the daylight was nearly gone. So the attendant said to his master: “Should we stop at this city of the Jeb′u·sites and stay overnight here?” 12 But his master said to him: “We should not stop at a city of foreigners who are not Israelites. We will go on as far as Gib′e·ah.”+ 13 Then he said to his attendant: “Come and let us try to reach one of those places; we will stay overnight either in Gib′e·ah or in Ra′mah.”+ 14 So they went on their way, and the sun began to set when they were near Gib′e·ah, which belongs to Benjamin.

    15 So they stopped there and went in to stay overnight in Gib′e·ah. Once inside, they sat down in the public square of the city, but nobody took them into his house to stay overnight.+ 16 Eventually that evening, an old man came in from his work in the field. He was from the mountainous region of E′phra·im,+ and he was living for a time in Gib′e·ah; but the residents of the city were Ben′ja·min·ites.+ 17 When he looked up and saw the traveler in the public square of the city, the old man said: “Where are you going, and where do you come from?” 18 He replied: “We are traveling from Beth′le·hem in Judah to a remote area of the mountainous region of E′phra·im, where I am from. I went to Beth′le·hem in Judah,+ and I am going to the house of Jehovah,* but nobody is taking me into his house. 19 We have enough straw and fodder for our donkeys,+ and bread+ and wine for me, the woman, and our attendant. There is nothing lacking.” 20 However, the old man said: “May you have peace! Let me take care of anything you need. Just do not stay overnight in the public square.” 21 So he brought him into his house and gave feed* to the donkeys. Then they washed their feet and ate and drank.

    22 While they were enjoying themselves, some worthless men of the city surrounded the house and were pounding on the door, and they kept saying to the old man who owned the house: “Bring out the man who came into your house, so that we may have sex with him.+ 23 At that the owner of the house went out and said to them: “No, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Please, this man is a guest in my house. Do not commit this disgraceful act. 24 Here are my virgin daughter and this man’s concubine. Let me bring them out, and you can humiliate them if you must.*+ But you must not commit this disgraceful act toward this man.”

    25 But the men refused to listen to him, so the man grabbed hold of his concubine+ and brought her outside to them. They raped her and abused her all night long until the morning. Then they sent her away at the break of dawn. 26 Early in the morning, the woman came and fell down at the entrance of the man’s house where her master was and lay there until it was light. 27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the doors of the house to go out to resume his journey, he saw the woman, his concubine, lying at the entrance of the house with her hands on the threshold. 28 So he said to her: “Get up; let us go.” But there was no answer. The man then put her on the donkey and set out for his home.

    29 When he reached his house, he took the slaughtering knife and took hold of his concubine and cut her up limb by limb into 12 pieces and sent one piece into each territory of Israel. 30 All who saw it said: “Such a thing has never happened or been seen from the day that the Israelites went up out of the land of Egypt down to this day. Consider it,* take counsel,+ and tell us what to do.”

  • user100
    damnit i meant judges!
  • _Morpheus

    Its incredible to me that i never before noticed just how calious and evil the man was... He forces the concubine outside and it basically appears he went to bed. He then wakes up in the morning and finds her slumped on the floor outside and is like "hey i know half the city spent the night raping you but its time to go!" When he see shes dead he dosent mourn her and bury her, he rides home and cuts her up.

    She wasnt a person, she was property.

  • sparrowdown
    Yes what's up with the collective cult-blindness that stops the average JW asshole trom noticing all the assholes in the bible!
  • prologos
    user100, confusion is natural, it was a story about a Levite afterall, with bad judgement, dot it yourself justice. when all was done, this lady was worth all theses 10 000s of feeble minded fighters. A story worthy of wt family worship night.
  • freemindfade

    True spiritual enlightenment


  • James Mixon
    James Mixon

    God thought this crap is not working, smiting, raping and etc.

    Lets try loving our enemy, turning the other cheek. So God sent

    his son to try to correct his (GOD) mistake, just like the flood.

    GOD said you know I'm not perfect, hell everyone makes a few

    blunders once in a while. Lets not mention Satan my biggest blunder.

  • Quarterback
    I never did read the entire ending of this story before, until this post brought it up. I do have a high respect for the Bible, but I was disturbed in reading how the nation kept trying to solve this problem but made matters worse. It went as far as the Israelites wanting to cut off that entire Benjamite tribe. I guess that must be the reason that the very last verse of Judges says, "Everyone did what was right in their own eyes in those days, because they didn't have a King"

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