Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Dangerous Cult?

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  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    You be the judge -- look at these quotes from actual official Jehovah's Witnesses' Publications:

    For more information and actual quotes about the Disfellowshipping practice, go to this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/44010/1.ashx

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." (Quote from The Watchtower, June 15th, 1957, Page 370)

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    "First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.—Matthew 24:45." (Quote from The Watchtower, August 1st, 2001, Page 14)

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    "In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?"

    "We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS."

    "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws."

    "The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof."

    "...if the children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped."

    "If children are of age and continue to associate with a disfellowshiped parent because of receiving material support from him or her, then they must consider how far their spiritual interests are being endangered by continuing under this unequal arrangement, and whether they can arrange to support themselves, living apart from the fallen-away parent. Their continuing to receive material support should not make them compromise so as to ignore the disfellowshiped state of the parent. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God's people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences."

    "Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped."

    "...to have religious communion with the disfellowshiped person - no, there would be none of that! The faithful marriage partner would not discuss religion with the apostate or disfellowshiped and would not accompany that one to his (or her) place of religious association and participate in the meetings with that one. As Jesus said: "If he does not listen even to the congregation [which was obliged to disfellowship him], let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector [to Jehovah's sanctified nation]." (Matt. 18:17, NW) Hurt to such one would not be authorized, but there would be no spiritual or religious fellowshiping."

    "The same rule would apply to those who are in the relation of parent and child or of child and parent. What natural obligation falls upon them according to man's law and God's law the faithful parent or the faithful child will comply with. But as for rendering more than that and having religious fellowship with such one in violation of the congregation's disfellowship order--no, none of that for the faithful one! If the faithful suffers in some material or other way for the faithful adherence to theocratic law, then he must accept this as suffering for righteousness' sake."

    "The purpose of observing the disfellowship order is to make the disfellowshiped one realize the error of his way and to shame him, if possible, so that he may be recovered, and also to safeguard your own salvation to life in the new world in vindication of God. (2 Thess. 3:14, 15; Titus 2:8) Because of being in close, indissoluble natural family ties and being of the same household under the one roof you may have to eat material food and live physically with that one at home, in which case 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 and 2 John 10 could not apply; but do not defeat the purpose of the congregation's disfellowship order by eating spiritual or religious food with such one or receiving such one favorably in a religious way and bidding him farewell with a wish for his prosperity in his apostate course." (The Watchtower November 15th 1952 Issue)

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    Questions From Readers

    · Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?

    Those who voice such an objection point out that many religious organizations claiming to be Christian allow dissident views. Even some clergymen disagree with basic teachings of their church, yet they remain in good standing. In nearly all the denominations of Christendom, there are modernists and fundamentalists who greatly disagree with one another as to the inspiration of the Scriptures.

    However, such examples provide no grounds for our doing the same. Why not? Many of such denominations allow widely divergent views among the clergy and the laity because they feel they cannot be certain as to just what is Bible truth. They are like the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day who were unable to speak as persons having authority, which is how Jesus taught. (Matthew 7:29) Moreover, to the extent that religionists believe in interfaith, they are obligated not to take divergent beliefs too seriously.

    But taking such a view of matters has no basis in the Scriptures. Jesus did not make common cause with any of the sects of Judaism. Jews of those sects professed to believe in the God of creation and in the Hebrew Scriptures, particularly the Law of Moses. Still, Jesus told his disciples to “watch out . . . for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” (Matthew 16:11, 12; 23:15) Note also how strongly the apostle Paul stated matters: “Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed.” Paul then repeated that statement for emphasis.—Galatians 1:8, 9.

    Teaching dissident or divergent views is not compatible with true Christianity, as Paul makes clear at 1 Corinthians 1:10: “I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.” (New International Version) At Ephesians 4:3-6 he further stated that Christians should be “earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all persons.”

    Was this unity to be achieved and maintained by each one’s independently searching the Scriptures, coming to his own conclusions, and then teaching these? Not at all! Through Jesus Christ, Jehovah God provided for this purpose “some as apostles, . . . some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers . . . until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man.” Yes, with the help of such ministers, congregational unity—oneness in teaching and activity—could be and would be possible.—Ephesians 4:11-13.

    Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth. The Roman Catholic pope, as well as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, professes such beliefs, yet their church memberships are exclusive of each other. Likewise, simply professing to have such beliefs would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses.What do such beliefs include?

    That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.

    Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: “Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some.” (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.

    Similarly, the apostle John termed as antichrists those who did not believe that Jesus had come in the flesh. They may well have believed in God, in the Hebrew Scriptures, in Jesus as God’s Son, and so on. But on this point, that Jesus had actually come in the flesh, they disagreed and thus were termed “antichrist.” John goes on to say regarding those holding such variant views: “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.”—2 John 7, 10, 11.

    Following such Scriptural patterns, if a Christian (who claims belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus) unrepentantly promotes false teachings, it may be necessary for him to be expelled from the congregation. (See Titus 3:10, 11.) Of course, if a person just has doubts or is uninformed on a point, qualified ministers will lovingly assist him. This accords with the counsel: “Continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire.” (Jude 22, 23) Hence, the true Christian congregation cannot rightly be accused of being harshly dogmatic, but it does highly value and work toward the unity encouraged in God’s Word. (Quotes from
    The Watchtower, April 1st, 1986 Issue, Pages 30-31)

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    Avoid Independent Thinking

    20 From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God’s way of doing things. He promoted independent thinking. ‘You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,’ Satan told Eve. ‘You don’t have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.’ (Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan’s subtle design to infect God’s people with this type of thinking.—2 Timothy 3:1, 13.

    21 How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization. For example, God’s organization has from time to time given warnings [...] Yet certain ones have professed to know better. They have rebelled against such counsel and have done what is right in their own eyes. With what result? Very often they have become involved in sexual immorality and have suffered severe spiritual harm. But even if they have not been so affected, are they not reprehensible if others follow their example and suffer bad consequences?—Matthew 18:6.

    22 This fact cannot be overemphasized: We are in a war with superhuman foes, and we constantly need to be aware of this. Satan and his demons are real; they are not mere figments of the imagination. They are “the world rulers of this darkness,” and we have a spiritual fight against them. (Ephesians 6:12) It is absolutely vital that we recognize their subtle designs and not allow ourselves to be overreached by them. Very appropriately, then, we will next consider how we can arm ourselves to fight against these wicked spirits. [...]

    Fight Against Independent Thinking

    19 As we study the Bible we learn that Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way. And just as in the first century there was only one true Christian organization, so today Jehovah is using only one organization. (Ephesians 4:4, 5; Matthew 24:45-47) Yet there are some who point out that the organization has had to make adjustments before, and so they argue: “This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe.” This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?

    20 Such thinking is an evidence of pride. And the Bible says: “Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling.” (Proverbs 16:18) If we get to thinking that we know better than the organization, we should ask ourselves: “Where did we learn Bible truth in the first place? Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God’s organization?” No, we cannot!Compare Acts 15:2, 28, 29; 16:4, 5.

    21 When we consider the mighty spirit forces who are fighting against us, we must acknowledge that on our own we could not possibly win. Yet with God’s backing, and with the help and support of his organization—our worldwide association of brothers—we cannot lose. (Psalm 118:6-12; 1 Peter 5:9) However, we must never forget that we are in a spiritual war, and that wartime is no time to be relaxing, enjoying only leisure and the pleasures of life. Rather, it is the time for vigorous training, alertness and self-sacrifice. The enemy has been able to get some from among us to relax their guard, and these have become battle casualties. May this never happen to us! It will not if we keep on “the complete suit of armor from God” and “stand firm against the [crafty acts] of the Devil.”—Ephesians 6:11, 12. (Quotes from The Watchtower, January 15th, 1983 Issue, Pages 22, 27)

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    From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah’s people those who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude. They do not want to serve “shoulder to shoulder” with the worldwide brotherhood. (Compare Ephesians 2:19-22.) Rather, they present a “stubborn shoulder” to Jehovah’s words. (Zech. 7:11, 12) Reviling the pattern of the “pure language” that Jehovah has so graciously taught his people over the past century, these haughty ones try to draw the “sheep” away from the one international “flock” that Jesus has gathered in the earth. (John 10:7-10, 16) They try to sow doubts and to separate unsuspecting ones from the bounteous “table” of spiritual food spread at the Kingdom Halls of Jehovah’s Witnesses, where truly there is ‘nothing lacking.’ (Ps. 23:1-6) They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago, and some have even returned to celebrating Christendom’s festivals again, such as the Roman Saturnalia of December 25! Jesus and his apostles warned against such lawless ones.—Matt. 24:11-13; Acts 20:28-30; 2 Pet. 2:1, 22. (Quote from The Watchtower, August 15th, 1981 Issue, Pages 28-29)

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    Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his “faithful and discreet slave,” made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.—Compare Acts 8:30-40. (Quote from The Watchtower, December 1st, 1981 Issue, Page 27)

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    We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah’s visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own.We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus’ ransom, the difference between God’s organization and Satan’s, nor why God has permitted wickedness. (Quote from The Watchtower, December 1st, 1990 Issue, Page 19)

  • zeroday
    zeroday

    I don't know. I don't think you provided enough information to come to a solid conclusion...

  • chelleadam
    chelleadam

    Gee - It really sucks for them that they can't legally murder all of us deviants, doesn't it?

  • Arthur
    Arthur

    I think that organizations can have several cult characteristics without technically being a cult. There are large corporations which have had certain characteristics of an organized crime ring, without technically being on. However, it all depends upon one's definition of the word cult.

    I think that the two vital aspects that a group must have to be a true "cult" is for the members to be physically or geographically removed or separated from society at large (i.e. Jonestown, Heavens Gate, Branch Dividians, Moonies, etc).

    Also, I think that a group must demonstrate a clear pattern of financial exploitation where members come to rely upon the group and leadership for physical needs.

    There are other groups that are labeled "cults" which do not demonstrate these characteristics: The Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Freemasons, and others.

  • yaddayadda
    yaddayadda

    Is this a thread to prove JW's are a cult, or to expose the evil of their shunning policy? Presumably the latter judging by all the quotes you've superbly unearthed and since we have had umpteen threads lately on whether or not JW's are a 'cult'.

    There is no doubt that the congregation is quite within their right to distance themselves from a brother or sister who is wilfully practicing gross sin. That's what 1 Cor 5 is all about. However, the Watchtower Society's policy of disfellowshipping for relatively trivial things, such as smoking or respectfully disagreeing with certain Watchtower interpretations, goes far beyond the scriptural grounds outlined in 1 Cor 5. The Watchtower leaders are accountable to God for having stumbled so many persons through their extreme tand pharasaical application of 1 Cor 5.

    Even if a person is 'disfellowshipped' scripturally under 1 Cor 5, that still does not justify total shunning. The Society's policy is flawed scripturally: the Greek word 'sunanamignumi' at 1 Cor 5: 9-13 which the NWT translates as 'quit mixing in company with' has the meaning of 'intimate association' and 'close association, as with a friend' (according to Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the NT, p 601). This is in contrast with the Greek word 'mita' which Strong's Exhaustive Concordance says denotes "accompaniment; amid (local or casual) - general association". So what Paul was stating was that the congregation should not have intimate, close association with the evildoer, as indicated by not 'eating with them' in a social setting. Paul was NOT forbidding general, casual association. Saying a greeting and a few friendly, encouraging words to a disfellowshipped person is hardly 'intimate..close' association.

    To really drive this point home, notice that at 2 Thessalonians 3:14, 15 the counsel is given to 'stop associating' (sunanamignumi) with anyone not obedient to the word. These scriptures are the basis of the Society's 'marking' policy - ie, the person is to be kept somewhat at arms length but is to be encouraged, not shunned. Note that Paul explicitly states "And yet do not be considering him as an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother". Yet it is the exact same Greek word used in 1 Cor 5! So the Society is being grossly inconsistent with its treatment of sunanamignumi. Quite simply, both the 'marked' person and the 'disfellowshipped' person should be treated exactly the same way! The correct practice in both cases should be as per the April 15, 1985 Watchtower, p.31 (on 'marking'), which says:

    "Brothers would not completely shun him, for Paul advised them 'to continue admonishing him as a brother.' Yet, by limiting their fellowship with him, they might lead him to become ashamed and perhaps awaken him to the need to conform to Bible principles".

    No wonder some on the GB reportedly want a change in the shunning policy. The current extreme position is not only scripturally flawed but flouts God's law of love. It is in stark contrast to Jesus command to love our enemies and that God expects us to practice the higher qualities at the expense of rigid conformity to nitpicking. The Watchtower leaders certainly are gulping down the camel on this policy and we know what Jesus had to say about pompous religious leaders who prize legalism more than love, justice, mercy.

  • ninja
    ninja

    hey leave the dangerous cults alone (poor things) and stop comparing them to JW's

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    It is pretty obvious that they are a cult though not one of the worst out there. The damning marks are the dictatorial leadership which is in fact absolutist, adopting extreme policies like the blood ban which totally fly against common sense, and totally shunning ex members. One can also easily discern a lot of deception and dishonesty in their day to day behaviour when they ask their followers to believe patently false ideas eg that they are God's chosen spiritual leaders of the entire world while they can't get many of their basic doctrines right.

  • moshe
    moshe

    Are JW's a cult? -and secondly, is that a dangerous thing? Well, I like to use the rattlesnake analogy. The label you put on the snake doesn't bother anyone, but when he bites you, then it becomes personal as to what that label means.

  • Handsome Dan
    Handsome Dan

    Old ignorant uneducated men with the power of god in their hands is never a good thing for humanity and never will be

    The power is evident and so is the evil.

  • Who are you?
    Who are you?
    It is pretty obvious that they are a cult though not one of the worst out there.

    How many JW's have died as a direct result of the completely unscriptural rules that the WTS imposed on its members regarding blood and shunning? How many died in Malawi as direct result of the WTS not giving the same direction as those in Mexico? They milk their adherents for free labor and money, while lying to them about having inside information about the world coming to an end.

    Their (not God's) Their vision of Armeggedon is that 99.9% of the world's population will be murdered.

    They are definately one the worst out there ....to see this you need only to seperate their words from their deeds.

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