Catholics reverse teaching
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Abandoned
HA HA HA HA!!! Man I'm glad that I'll never be taken in by a religion again.
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J-ex-W
..."serious grounds to hope..."
Ohmigawd!!!!!!
How do you like that phrasing???
Not, "serious grounds to believe," but "serious grounds to H - O - P - E !!!"...........
These people are hope-brokers...that's all they are....... !!!
Edit: Or maybe I should have said, 'hope bookies....'
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OnTheWayOut
A Vatican panel reassessed the teaching of limbo as the number of abortions and infants
born to non-believers who die without being baptized grew.This quote is from below the pictures. "A Vatican panel." Doesn't that mean a vote was
taken as to how this doctrine would effect current members? Sounds like someone else
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Kenneson
Limbo has never been a tenet of the Catholic Church. Different theologians have believed different things about the fate of unbaptized babies and expressed their views, but it has remained an open-end question and subject to debate. Even this document is not an official pronouncement by the Church.
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Amazing
Kenneson,
Having been taught that Limbo exist for unbaptized babies by Dominican Sisters and Franciscan Priests ... I would say that they would disagree with you. However, it is one of thouse traditions that they also said was the best the Church could understand in light of Biblical teachings and tradition dating back to the early church. Well ... this is an interesting move on the part of the Pope and I guess it is still not a clear or certain position of the Church with this new ruling:
Here is what the Church says in the Catholic Encyclopedia: [SOURCE: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09256a.htm]
Limbo: (Late Latinlimbus) a word of Teutonic derivation, meaning literally "hem" or "border," as of a garment, or anything joined on (cf. Italianlembo or Englishlimb). In theological usage the name is applied to (a) the temporary place or state of the souls of the just who, although purified from sin, were excluded from the beatific vision until Christ's triumphant ascension into Heaven (the "limbus patrum"); or (b) to the permanent place or state of those unbaptized children and others who, dying without grievous personal sin, are excluded from the beatific vision on account of original sin alone (the "limbus infantium" or "puerorum"). In literary usage the name is sometimes applied in a wider and more general sense to any place or state of restraint, confinement, or exclusion, and is practically equivalent to "prison" (see, e.g., Milton, "Paradise Lost," III, 495; Butler, "Hudibras," part II, canto i, and other English classics). The not unnatural transition from the theological to the literary usage is exemplified in Shakespeare, "Henry VIII," act v, sc. 3. In this article we shall deal only with the theological meaning and connotation of the word.
II. LIMBUS INFANTIUM: The New Testament contains no definite statement of a positive kind regarding the lot of those who die in original sin without being burdened with grievous personal guilt. But, by insisting on the absolute necessity of being "born again of water and the Holy Ghost" (John 3:5) for entry into the kingdom of Heaven (see BAPTISM, subtitle Necessity of Baptism), Christ clearly enough implies that men are born into this world in a state of sin, and St. Paul's teaching to the same effect is quite explicit (Romans 5:12 sqq.). On the other hand, it is clear from Scripture and Catholic tradition that the means of regeneration provided for this life do not remain available after death, so that those dying unregenerate are eternally excluded from the supernaturalhappiness of the beatific vision (John 9:4, Luke 12:40, 16:19 sqq., 2 Corinthians 5:10; see also APOCATASTASIS). The question therefore arises as to what, in the absence of a clear positive revelation on the subject, we ought in conformity with Catholic principles to believe regarding the eternal lot of such persons. Now it may confidently be said that, as the result of centuries of speculation on the subject, we ought to believe that these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness; and this is what Catholics usually mean when they speak of the limbus infantium, the "children's limbo." The best way of justifying the above statement is to give a brief sketch of the history of Catholic opinion on the subject. We shall try to do so by selecting the particular and pertinent facts from the general history of Catholic speculation regarding the Fall and original sin, but it is only right to observe that a fairly full knowledge of this general history is required for a proper appreciation of these facts.
Jim Whitney
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seawolf
religion is just a man-made concoction so the religions just add and delete teachings when they want as this example illustrates.
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proplog2
Wow. The Catholic Church finally gets some new light.
Give them credit for changing something.
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FlyingHighNow
This is the best thing about this drop of Limbo. I believe in Universal Salvation. Without limbo, you just about have the Catholic Church admitting she believes in it, too.
"If there's no limbo and we're not going to revert to St. Augustine's teaching that unbaptized infants go to hell, we're left with only one option, namely, that everyone is born in the state of grace," said the Rev. Richard McBrien, professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame.
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Liza
So much for original sin, eh.
How come people who were baptized and those who weren't can pretty much act the same? Lol.