Proof the Bible Cannot Be Trusted

JosephAlward

Objective observers know that the Bible is packed with errors and inconsistencies. For example, Genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth. Matthew's genealogy is completely different than Luke's. Matthew thought that "Jeremy" spoke of the Judas'betrayal of thirty pieces of silver, and the use of this money to buy the potter's field, but there's no story like that in Jeremiah; Matthew seemed to have mixed up two or more completely unrelated stories having to do with an uncle's field in one place, and seventeen pieces of silver in another. The Bible says that Judas hanged himself in one place, but in another it says that he fell and his sides split open. Matthew thought that Jesus rode into Jerusalem with a donkey and an ass, but that's because he misunderstood Zechariah. The list of biblical problems is almost without end. Interested readers will find about fifty articles dealing with different examples of Bible error at http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

pomegranate

Every single one has an very simple answer.

I'll do only one:

>>For example, Genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.<<

There are two kinds of light. Physical and spiritual. Since we know the physcial luminaries were not created until later, then this "light" must be spiritual light.

And that it is. That light was the existence of Christ being revealed to the spiritual realm:

John 12:45, "I (Christ) have come into the world as a light (Gen 1:3),

Well, friend, when in the world did ALL "light" come into "the world?" In the beginning:

Matt 13:35
"I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."

Gen 1:3
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

The spiritual light of Christ being exposed for the first time, as that very light of Christ was hidden within God as a sacred secret.

Col 1:25-27
25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the Word of God in its fullness- 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints.

1 John 1:5-6, "This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light;

John 3:19, This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness (Gen 1:2, darkness = Satan) instead of light (Gen 1:3, Light = Christ) because their deeds were evil.

John 12:35, "Put your trust in the light while you have it, so that you may become sons of light.

LittleToe

Quote:
"Genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth. "

I wondered about viewing this from a position on the Earth. Perhaps the sun only came to light, through the canopy, on the fourth day.
It's unlikely that Moses (or the source that he corrulated this info from) would have missed this point that you make. These were not stupid individuals, but rather likely had a good grasp of astronomy/astrology.

Just my 2p theory.

LT

pomegranate

>>Perhaps the sun only came to light,through the canopy, on the fourth day<<

Perhaps not, because they were not even MADE yet. They were MADE on day four:

Gen 1:16
16 God MADE two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also MADE the stars.

They were NOT made yet in Genesis 1:3. The LIGHT is spiritual light fighting against the spiritual darkness. That was the SEPERATING that was done on "day" one. Good and Evil. Christ and Satan.

Spiritual light.

MikeNightHaShev

Why Pmegranate must you abuse the bible with your own false commentary?
In Genesis it's specifically in context talking about Physical light and physical darkness which is why it makes sure you know with the words following it in verse 19 calling it making up a day.
This means by it's specific reference it does NOT want you to confuse it with spiritual light and spiritual darkness.
The only deep reference you are to gather from this is a duality balance in his creation, however physical light or mystical teachings of Phosphorus/luciferian light is not something you want to be teaching as good or inspired because Physical light actually detracts the intuitive (brings ignorance) and those false teachings are actually *spiritually dark* because they are lies as well.
*(Spiritual darkness=Lies and ignorance)*

jelly

I have come to the conclusion that nobody actually reads any ‘holy book’; whether it be the bible, Koran, or what ever. People just look for things in the book to support whatever prejudices and preconceptions they already have.

Jelly

pomegranate

>>*(Spiritual darkness=Lies and ignorance)*<<

Spiritual darkness = Evil and evil deeds.

John 3:19, This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light BECAUSE their deeds were evil.

Luke 11:33-35
34 Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35 See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.

Job 24:17
17 For all of them, deep darkness is their morning;
they make friends with the terrors of darkness

Matt 6:23
23 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Luke 22:52-53
52 Then Jesus said to the chief priests, the officers of the temple guard, and the elders, who had come for him, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come with swords and clubs? 53 Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour-when darkness [Evil] reigns."

2 Cor 6:14-16
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness [good] and wickedness [evil] have in common? Or what fellowship can light [good] have with darkness [evil]? 15 What harmony is there between Christ [good] and Belial [evil]? What does a believer [good] have in common with an unbeliever [evil]? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God [good] and idols [evil]?

1 John 2:11
11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.

Are you blind?

JosephAlward

The notion that the "light" spoken of in Genesis 1:1-13 is spiritual, not physical, is unsupportable. There's no way that a spiritual light could cause "evenings" and "mornings." As we all know, an evening begins at sunset when the earth rotates away from the sun and the sun appears to fall below the horizon, and vice versa for mornings. The editor of Genesis was recording two separate traditions about the creation; in Genesis 1:1-13 he reports the tradition of those who believed the sun came first, then the earth, while in Genesis 1:14-17 he describes the beliefs of those who think the earth came first, then the sun. These are completely contradictory descriptions, but this was of no concern to the editor; just as a child faithfully might recount the grandmother's story of a happy event, so will she report a perhaps a somewhat contradictory account by the grandfather's, out of respect and love for both.

There are an almost uncountable number of contradictions in the Bible, and they cannot be argued away.

Joseph F. Alward
"Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"
http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

pomegranate

Evening and morning are depicting Satan covering over truth with the darkness of evil and lies and God ploughing through the darkness of lies with light of good and truth.

Totally supportable:

1 Thess 5:5
5 You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.

>>There are an almost uncountable number of contradictions in the Bible, and they cannot be argued away<<

No contradictions. Just people with no understanding. Like yourself.

JosephAlward

Pomegranate:

"Evening and morning are depicting Satan covering over truth with the darkness of evil and lies and God ploughing through the darkness of lies with light of good and truth."
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Joseph Alward:

The Old Testament writers used the word "evening" 111 other times outside of the creation story, and there's zero evidence that the authors meant for us to interpret any of these "evenings" as periods of "darkness and lies." On what basis do you conclude that "evening" meant to the Bible writers then anything more or less than what it means to us now? If God had wanted us to know that each of his days of creation was followed by the rule of Satan during the evening, don’t you think he would have his Bible writers make that clear?

The evidence (not present here) shows that the Genesis writers patched together stories about creation and the flood from at least two other traditions, or cultures. One culture believed that the earth was created first, then the sun, while the other believed it happened in the opposite order; one culture believed that Noah brought seven of each animal on board the ark, while the other believed it was two.

The Bible was written by men who knew that not all of the other contributors could be trusted to have a correct understanding of God, so they cautioned us not to blindly accept what we read in the Bible as truthful. They told us to use our minds to decide for ourselves what made sense, and to disregard that which doesn't make sense. This is what they said:

"Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Pomegranate, if you believe that there's a god which will punish you--perhaps even send you to the lake of fire for eternity--if you worship a falsely, then perhaps you may wish to hold your interpretations up to the test of common sense, lest you worship false teachings and therefore a false god.

Joseph F. Alward
"Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"
http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

Proof the Bible Cannot Be Trusted

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