Jesus death and resurrection

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  • Sasha
    Sasha

    Trying to get these dates straight. OK. Passover Nissan 14, Jesus had the passover supper and announced to his deciples he would be dying. So, that was this past Monday., The next day he was killed (Correct?) so that was Tuesday. Shouldn't the memorial be on Tuesday this year?

    Also he was in the grave 3 days and then resurrected. That would take us to Friday. So why do they call it "Good Friday"? and then we have Easter, which is nothing to me but Lamb dinner and a lot of marshmellow bunny candy sent from my Mom!

  • carla
    carla

    Sounds like you are mixing up Jewish & Christian holidays in your head to me.

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    The Jewish day ran from evening to evening

    Nisan 14th/Friday- Anytime after evening, he instituted the Lord Evening Meal, morning was before Sanhedrin, then before Pilate, hung on Tree/stake/cross, hung until 3 PM and died

    Nisan 15th/Saturday- dead all day, in the grave

    Nisan 16th/Sunday- rose anytime during that day or after the evening which makes sense because he was already resurrected by the early morning

    He was dead only parts of three days but nonetheless, three days

    abr

  • yaddayadda
    yaddayadda

    It's called 'Good Friday' for either of two reasons: it could be short for 'God's Friday', similar to how 'Good bye' means 'God be with ye', but more likely because Christians consider it 'good' in the sense that Jesus' redemptive work for the saving of the world was accomplished (by his death) on that day.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Big picture:

    The main church(es) simply chose a weekly pattern to have the day of Resurrection (= Easter) always fall on Sunday, as the Four Gospels emphasise (the first day of the week, or the "eighth day" which was an important symbol of renewal and new beginning in early Christianity). As a result, the "Holy Week" can occur any date between late March and early April, but it is always a Holy Week, culminating on Sunday.

    JWs stick to an early alternative pattern (cf. the so-called "quartodecimans") which kept the day of the month by the (majoritary) Jewish lunisolar calendar: in this system Passover (= Good Friday) occurs on Nisan 14th but any day of the week. Where JWs differ from any early Christian pattern afaik is by making it the only celebration of the Eucharist in the whole year.

    The NT picture is actually more complex, because in the Synoptic Gospels Jesus eats the Passover meal and dies the next day by our reckoning, but the same Jewish day (Nisan 14), and in the Gospel of John he dies before the Passover night, at the time when the lamb for the Passover meal was slaughtered.

    Hope that helps.

  • carla
    carla

    http://christianity.about.com/od/holidaytips/qt/whatisgoodfrida.htm ---What is Good Friday

    Christians celebrate Easter Sunday because Jesus rose from death. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the fundamental principles and beliefs of Christianity and a well documented historical fact. Christians celebrate Easter Sunday because they believe, Jesus died for their sin on the Cross on Good Friday. Jesus was buried on Friday and rose from death on Sunday. Christians believe only Jesus can give eternal life, because He overcame death. (sorry lost the link)

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2005-11,RNWE:en&defl=en&q=define:Passover&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title -- What is Passover

    Google to your hearts content.

  • Pahpa
    Pahpa

    The World Wide Church of God, Int. has an interesting theory about the death and resurrection of Jesus. It says that the prophecy said he would be dead "three days and three nights." (Matthew 12:40) (The Society has explained away this by saying that in the Hebrew idom it could mean "parts of three days.")

    WWCG,Int. lists the following:

    Tuesday: Christ eats passover with disciples

    Wednesday: Jesus is crucified around 3PM (Preparation day for the annual, not weekly Sabbath.

    Thursday: High Sabbath, first day of unleavened bread the day after the "Day of Preparation."

    Friday: High day Sabbath

    Saturday: Weekly Sabbath (Jesus rises from dead near sunset)

    Sunday: Women come to tomb "while it was still dark." Jesus had already risen.

    What do you think? Does this theory have any credence?

  • Pahpa
    Pahpa

    Correction:

    Should have read:

    Friday high-day sabbath past, women buy and prepare spices for annointing Jesus

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Sounds like an awkward harmonization of the Johannine and synoptic timelines. Just a few comments:

    (1) It would insert a whole day (the weekly sabbath) between Mark 16:1 and Mark 16:2, when there is no indication thereof in the text. The most natural reading is that when the sabbath was over (i.e. after 6pm on Saturday) the women bought spices, and then they went to the tomb at dawn the next day (Sunday a.m.).

    (2) The sabbath described in Mark 16:1 is not designated as a high holy day or the Passover itself, nor could it have been because it had already passed. Mark 14:1 places the anointing of Jesus in Bethany "two days before Passover" and then the preparation of the Last Supper (i.e. before 6 p.m. on the same Gregorian day that the meal occurred after 6 p.m.) occurred "on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they would sacrifice the Passover lamb" (Mark 14:12, an event that John places a day later). The "sabbath" which preceded the women's buying of spices was not the first day of Passover (which was celebrated as a sabbath).

    (3) If the women really bought the spices "when the sabbath was over" (Mark 16:1), this implies that they would have done this on Thursday evening (after 6 p.m.) and not Friday morning. But in either case, we would have a very awkward situation of the women waiting a whole day to anoint the body and even missing their chance to do it that day, letting another whole sabbath day pass while Jesus' body rotted in the tomb. It is exceedingly unlikely that such a thing would have happened, especially in light of the Jewish tradition that the body must be anointed before the third day (by which the time the body has begun to decay and the spirit leaves the body for good).

    (4) It does not really resolve the conflict between Mark 14:12 and John 18:28, 39, 19:31. It also resolves the conflict between Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56 by inserting a whole day in between Luke 23:55 and Luke 23:56 (without any justification from the text), even though the "sabbath" mentioned in v. 56 is surely the same one mentioned in v. 54.

    (5) It would necessarily date the Last Supper before Nisan 14 (i.e. Tuesday after 6 p.m.), which accords to some extent with John (which does not construe the meal as a passover meal) but which conflicts with Luke 22:1-13.

    (6) If I am not mistaken, there are other early Christian traditions supporting the traditional chronology. The Asian quartodecimians (including Polycarp of Smyrna, who was born in a Christian family in the 60s AD) placed the Christian passover (Pascha) on Nisan 14, and the Epistle of Barnabas (early second century AD) construed the resurrection as occurring on the "eighth day", i.e. "Sunday" (i.e. after 6 p.m. on Saturday, after the sabbath was over). Similarly, the mid-second century AD Gospel of Peter placed the resurrection "during the night before the Lord's day [Sunday] dawned" (9:1), and the soldiers had to "rose the centurion from his sleep" to report the resurrection to him (10:1), implying again that the resurrection was not construed as occurring near sundown.

    (7) Finally, the harmonization does not resolve the apparent conflict between Jesus being buried "for three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40) and the tradition about Jesus being raised "on the third day" (1 Corinthians 15:4), which is a shorter length of time.

  • Terry
    Terry
    The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the fundamental principles and beliefs of Christianity and a well documented historical fact.

    The Roman empire produced tens of thousands of documents as it was an enormous (and efficient) bureaucracy.

    Which particular document do you (above) refer to?

    When you say "history"; how are you defining that word?

    Just curious.

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