This Greber 'coverup' is disgusting, Isn't it?

by AK - Jeff 34 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • misocup
    misocup

    Franz dismisses the seriousness of this mistake, his explanation of how it occurred seems to make sense. However, when you are making a claim of Divine guidance you must be held to a much higher standard spiritually and legally. It prompts the question, if Jehovah were guiding the WBTS, would he allow this to happen? It implies that God is not capable of influencing the minds of the people at the very top of His representative organization on earth at a time when proper and accurate guidance is most needed, the last few years of this system of things.

    This mistake, when combined with the many other inaccuracies in the teachings of the WTBS, and their other secret activities, should provide enough documentation to prove the organization false. The WTBS should be held responsible for their policies and the damage they have done to people all over the world.

    I am curious about the membership levels. Does anyone know if they are lagging or booming?

    Franz wrote:
    On the Aid material, all articles were always read by and, if considered necessary, edited by at least one other person on the project staff. So I am certain to have at least reviewed the writeups of the two articles you list. And I am equally certain that in doing so the thought of Greber's being connected with spiritism never entered my mind. I was doing circuit and district work in the Caribbean at the time the October 1, 1955 and February 15, 1956, articles came out with their information on Greber. I read them of course, but in the years that followed between then and the start of the Aid project in 1966, I also read thousands of articles in the 240 other Watchtowers and the 240 Awakes published during those ten years, plus many other publications. I would no more remember his name than I would remember the name of Doctor Rumble or Jean Brierre, mentioned on the same page with him in the 1955 magazine, or Bishop Samuel Fallows, mentioned on the same page with him in the 1956 issue. Had I remembered the brief mention of him in the 1955 and 1956 articles I am sure it would have caused me to express concern over the use of his translation. It was not until after leaving the Brooklyn headquarters that the issue of the propriety of quoting from Greber's translation ever came to my attention. What is true of me is, I believe, true of the others working on the Aid project.... I believe most of the staff members I knew would have conscientious qualms about quoting anything connected with spiritism, other than in discussing the wrongful aspects of spiritism... [11]

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    misocup

    That is an interesting find. Thanks for posting it.

    Franz stated:

    I also read thousands of articles in the 240 other Watchtowers and the 240 Awakes published during those ten years, plus many other publications.

    I think this is a crucial and fatal flaw with the writers of the WT publications. They refer to their own literature far too much to be authentic. There is an assumption that what was printed in the past is correct and when it comes to quoting outsiders they assume the original quote is accurate. People need to go back to the source instead of just relying on what another WT publication said.

    But that would mean a major rewrite of all their publications

  • dedpoet
    dedpoet

    I read a quote from C T Russell a while back where he wrote something on the lines of "a truth from satan is just as true as a truth from god. Seek truth, wherever you may find it".

    Maybe that's why the org felt justified to use Greber's translation to support the NWT.

    Or maybe they were just desperate to enlist any authority to use as support for their twisted translation.

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear AK-Jeff,

    I know your anger!! I felt the same way!! This scripture clearly comes to mind in realizing what they have done:

    1 Corinthians 10:21

    21

    YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of "the table of Jehovah" and the table of demons.

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Misocup,

    WELCOME to the Forum!! Great first post!! Looking forward to hearing more from you!

    Sincerely,

    Layd Liberty

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    Interesting, I had no idea. Thanks for bringing this up. The more I find out, the less I know. Certainly an eye-opening experience.

  • VM44
    VM44

    "a truth from satan is just as true as a truth from god. Seek truth, wherever you may find it".

    This is a really stupid thing to say. A source might contain some truth, but it might be mixed in with so much falsehood that it would be impossible to tell what is true and what is not. The "father of the lie" is not an appropriate source for the seeker of truth.

    --VM44

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I remember that argument also but like you say VM44 how on earth do you know what is truth and what is not

    absolutely no reasoning ability back then

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Wow... thank you AK Jeff for this (and Lady Lee for the explanation) I have never heard this one.

    And WELCOME MisoCup!!!

    Baba.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    AK - Jeff,

    I don't know what all the fuss is about. I commented on this a long time ago: the WTS is "spirit directed", is it not? Therefore Greber is a good guy!

    Farkel

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