Your thoughts and ideas on how and why the WTS.started, a background study.

by thetrueone 41 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I am very impressed by Lady Lee's research and insight...I have long held that many ex-JW kind of have a kindly nostalgia for old Russell, and that it may well be misplaced. Her comment here is a good one -

    I'm ticked off. It was so easy to say it started rather benignly until Rutherford took over. Well from what I have read Rutherford took Russell's little book publishing company and transported it into the multi-million dollar company that we have today.

    All you have to do is dig into this guy's selfish exploitation of his own friends, eventually getting into fights and running them all off, to read his true character. Either that or read the transcript of the divorce trial.

    Fundamentally, this guy built on the shaky foundation of pyramid, numerology, Miller's false prophecy, and was totally without the common sense to admit he was wrong about 1874 and then later 1914.

    From such a tangled web it has blundered on now for over a hundred years and has yet to admit even one of its false prophecies.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    Thanks for your comments alot of good information.......Hey New Light !

  • new boy
    new boy

    There are over 20,000 different SO CALLED CHRISTIAN sects in the world.

    Why did any of them get started?..................They all believe they know what the Bible really says

    and they are God's divine channe!...........and yes that means POWER & Money sometimes.

  • free2beme
    free2beme

    Sometimes weak people like to do mediocre ideas to get to what they consider a level of greatness, without truly doing anything that is great. Thus, they choose the easiest option on this ... religion. Which is tied with starting a multilevel marketing scam.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    Hopefully with the advent of the inter-net now more information like this can get spread out to people, so they see for themselves how this religion was formed and structured.

    It certaintly wasn't designed by devine intervention, thats to by sure. Perhaps we can instill some cracks in it's foundation with help of technolgy and let it crumble..... ummm.

    Having a folly with peoples minds and emotions is such a dirty thing to do and certaintly doesn't speak of any humanistic values, does it.

    The WTS recently published a tract stating that all false religions are about to collapse. I just wonder if this wasn't a reactionary kickback from the Org. based on the

    information that has come out about them. If you don't know all ready their legal department has forceably shut down web sites by means of law suits to stop this information.

    It certainly weakens their postition on saying we are the one and only true religion on earth......Jehovah god's visible organization on earth and you know all the other rhetoric......

    I kind a see it more as a strictly structured publishing coopartive in a lot of ways, structured on BS of course but never the less structured.

    Damage to the indivdual is present in so many ways, intellectually, mentally and socialy too, to name a few.

    Anyone else...........got to go..... I shall retun....

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    A little off-topic (or a kind of lateral pass on the topic), but this whole thread got a kind of new thought in my head...

    While the society has faced apostacy (or dissention) before, I don't think it has ever faced it in the same way it must do so today.

    Remember the people that left right after C.T.Russell's death? They were leaving because they really were Russelites...and they didn't like the massive change of direction that Rutherford was trying to take. I guess there are a few still around - there is that one guy who is basically trying to start his own society. And, I guess a small few % who have gone into the fundie churches with a vengeance. But that is not the median profile that we see here on JWD...

    Today's typical apostate (as seen here on JWD) is really an enlightened species. We can look back on the startup of the organization, it's continual prophetic failures, it's selfish control freaking, and see this for what it is much more clearly than people at the turn of the 20th century a hundred years ago. We have the association of the internet, groups like this, and don't need to all join up with some formal church to share experiences and associations.

    I think that today's typical apostate basically sees this organization for the high control false cult that it is, and just wants to get away and get on with life. We do not have any use for a substitute "guru" or "another cult experience". Many have a permanent disdain for organized religion - whether good or bad, that is what WTS has done to us. And it is amazing how young many of these people are who are leaving.

    Maybe the how and why WTS started are also the how and why their momentum is running down to empty now.

  • dark angle
    dark angle

    James wood, Thanks for summing that up. Throughout years of service, I’m feeling such thing. I’m beginning to dislike organized or institutionalized religion. Upon pondering on jesus activities and speeches like the one she had with the Samaritan, he seemed entirely against any institutionalized form of religion. You said: I think that today's typical apostate basically sees this organization for the high control false cult that it is, and just wants to get away and get on with life. We do not have any use for a substitute "guru" or "another cult experience". Many have a permanent disdain for organized religion - whether good or bad, that is what WTS has done to us. And it is amazing how young many of these people are who are leaving. True indeed. Keep the free ideas here burning!!!

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Jehovah's Witnesses Millerite/Adventist sect spin-off American Civil war army captain William Miller is ground zero for Jehovah's Witnesses.

    There is nothing that made me gasp in horror of all WT/JW falsehoods more then this finding that it all came from the Millerite movement.Yes,the "great disappointment"of Oct 22 1844 has never died out... it lives on in the Seventh day Adventist (who admit it) and the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny it.


    Must see video clip: http://www.dannyhaszard.com/cultvideos.htm please go to this link and scroll down for the History Channel clip

    The Millerites: Armageddon (History Channel) 4 min clip
    This is the highly credible HISTORY CHANNEL (Roger Mudd) not the "apostates" exposing Jehovah's Witnesses as a spin-off of the William Miller movement of 1844 The central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower,yes the reason the Watchtower came into existence was to declare Jesus second coming in 1914.When the prophecy (derived from William Miller of 1842) failed they said that he came "invisibly".

    Ergo,no 1914 then there can be no 1918 inspection and sealing of the 'anointed' so the entire WBTS doctrinal superstructure comes crashing down like a house of cards Tell the truth and don't be afraid-Danny Haszard Bangor Maine

  • Terry
    Terry

    I'm that good at being pithy, but; here goes!

    1.Russell's mother was a Scottish Presbyterian who filled young Charles' head with fear of hell. Being intelligent and sensitive, it electrified his very being with an intellectual struggle to grasp why a loving God would kill him!

    2.Russell's dad was a successful businessman who gave him a unique sense of responsibility. He learned how to make an organization flourish. Russell was tutored, educated and driven by a sense of personal mission and purpose early in life.

    3.Russell had a crisis of faith at an early age due to the "harsh" judgements of mainstream religion. (My theory is that Russell probably had illicit sex and suffered a profound sense of guilt about it. He personally vowed he would never do it again if God would forgive him. Remember, this is my crackpot theory!)

    4.Russell listens to an explication of End Times which tickles his sense of how very soon the end of the ages might come. He invites the speaker to personally instruct him. On the basis of charts, graphs and dispensation theology, Russell moves to throw himself into making this known to everybody by becoming a writer/publisher. (Remember my theory? I think Russell was compensating for his sexual guilt hang-ups and sublimating.)

    5.Due to his personal talent for self-expression, Russell (like William Miller before him) becomes the center of attention in his writings about End Times.

    6.Russell's access to personal wealth (men's clothing stores) enables his pet projects.

    7.Russell surveys all the crackpot theories of his time (of which there were a considerable number!). He picks and chooses what appeals to his own personal tastes and combines them into a Pet Theory (no, not a theory about pets!).

    8.The cork in the crackpot bottle is the Great Pyramid of Giza. C.T.Russell finds the correspondency between other End Time predictions and the Great Pyramid measurements (which purport to demonstrate God's hidden time chart of prophecy) too perfectly self-supporting to ignore.

    9.Russell takes the bull by the horns. He shakes off all association with other writers (from whom he got his framgmentary ideas and theories) and creates his own personal version of End Times theory and publishes these ideas with the help of easily persuaded associates.

    10.A movement grows up around Russell's teachings and writings.

    STOP!

    At some point (I don't know exactly where) a personality change came over C.T.Russell. He found himself at the center of something very powerful which included being admired, listened to, beseeched for answers and praised for his "special" role in warning mankind (noble cause!) about the End just ahead.

    A pivotal relationship with Maria, his wife, is one of the most essential ingredients in what was to follow!

    I have no doubt Charles Taze Russell had sexual feelings. He was human, after all! But, I personally think he was neurotically afflicted about these feelings. Because of his mother's influence on him (and Scottish Presbyterian bugaboos about the evil of sexuality) Russell entered the "marriage" with a weird and perverse "prenuptial agreement" never to have physical relations with Maria.

    Maria was clearly C.T. Russell's intellectual equal. Her writings and self-expression were extraordinarily gifted, poetic, well-informed and equally crackpot! That Russell viewed Maria as an important helpmeet is obvious.

    However.......

    There would eventually be a few sources of conflict between them. I am pretty much convinced these conflicts were due to C.T. Russell's now distorted views about sex and his compulsions. We need not speculate. Conflict is conflict.

    The important (very important!) contribution of wife Maria was DOCTRINAL!

    It was Maria herself who invented the now famous (and startling) interpretation of the phrase "Faithful and Discreet Slave". (Faithful and Wise Servant in 1800's parlance.)

    Maria identified C.T. Russell as the antitypical fulfillment. Moreover, she felt that she (Maria) was one flesh with this prophetic fulfillment which made HER (Maria) ALSO the faithful and discreet slave!! (More theorizing here: I'm quite convinced Maria was able to get Charley to have sex at least once in order to fulfill the bible's admonition to "become one flesh" and make the marriage legal.) Otherwise, Russell could deny she was one flesh with him and not part of the faithful and discreet slave definition.

    It has been written and claimed that Charles Taze Russell denied he was such an important prophetic figure. Maybe, at first. But, the throngs of admirers, listeners, beseechers of wisdom who adulated Russell eventually penetrated his sense of ego and self-importance and he would privately admit he was, indeed, this prophetic fulfillment of "faithful and discreet slave."

    (I might add a point here. It was a novel interpretation which made this casual metaphor by Jesus into a prophetic importance in the first place! This is now the CENTRAL DOCTRINE of Jehovah's Witnesses reshaped and distorted over the years. It creates a magisterium for the Watchtower as central authority. It apes the Catholic doctrine of magisterium: to wit, only the church can interpret accurately what the true intent of scripture and prophecy is.)

    Whatever followed, the WTS sprung from 3 main facts.

    1.Russell was driven to relieve his personal anxiety about hell and punishment by inventing his own plausible theology which eventually became entirely contrarian and novel.

    2.The WTS became a launching pad for crackpot explanations of End Times musings largely "proved" by a jerry-rigged chart (not at all different from the hundreds of such charts already being used by religious groups which sprung from William Miller's movement.) combined with a Great Pyramid theory dovetailing in concrete theology.

    3.The "proof" of accuracy of Russell's theories combined these charts, graphs and unique interpretations into a personal mystique of being personally chosen by Christ.(Faithful and Discreet Slave) Maria sought to share this limelight. She would endure Russell's eccentricities (and coldness in the bedroom) if he allowed her equal measure of admiration and authorship which he refused. The marriage ended and Russell's personal woes commenced.

    All the above is ground zero historically for what followed.

    Just as Miller and his movement stimulated hysterical interest in Last Days and Return of Christ fanaticisms; so too Russell's terminated again and again in disappointment. (Great disappointment) Yet, each failure required adjustments and explanations and adaptations of what was presented previously as "GOD'S DATES, NOT OURS."

    Intellectual dishonesty is on two levels: private and public. Russell crossed both lines and levels!

    If C.T.Russell had not believed his own nonsense he would have allowed the non-happening of the non-rapture, non-Armageddon to disprove all his speculations. He would have folded his hands and published a retraction which clearly admitted failure and error. But, no True Believer can shatter his own absolute conviction of rightness.

    Russell began fudging dates, changing phrases, altering absolutes and recasting contexts in an effort to rescue his Grand Illusions as he struggled against accusations of infidelity, crooked business dealings and pettiness in dealing with his spouse.

    Those who had joined Russell's sideshow of creepy credulity included some talented and shrewd men who would control the destiny of this neo-religion after Russell died in 1916. Two men stand out among the rest: Fred Franz and J.F.Rutherford.

    Suffice to say the background of Russell's novel scheme and corporate manifestation of his neurotic preoccupations with End Times was too strong and lucrative to be allowed to die.

    The Russell/Millerite movement of colporteurs, book salesman and true believers split into two main groups (others would follow).

    The INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS were the pure (non business oriented) followers who still exist to this day and only publish Studies in the Scriptures as their ministry. They have small meeting groups and utterly believe that C.T.Russell's early writings were accurate.

    The second half of the split was led by J.F.Rutherford whose posturing, ravings and machinations contorted the Russellites into becoming pawns in his international powerplay.

    What Jehovah's Witnesses largely are today is the result of J.F.Rutherford's madness and shrewd imagination.

    There now! Wasn't that typically pithy of me?

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    Terry... couldnt have explained the whole Russell thing better myself. ~Hill

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